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Muslim cleric shot dead in Sydney

Muslim cleric shot dead in Sydney

Australian commandos have stormed a cafe in Sydney, ending a 16-hour siege by a gunman identified as an Iranian refugee who took dozens of hostages.

Man Haron Monis, 50, who was on bail for being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife and was facing more than 40 sexual and indecent assault charges, was killed.

Two others died at the Lindt Chocolat Cafe, a 34-year-old man, a 38-year-old woman.

Early in the siege, hostages were forced to hold up a black Islamic banner at the window of the cafe.

Monis, according to this report, was born in Iran and sought political asylum in Australia in 1996.

The charges he was facing relate to time  he allegedly spent as a self-proclaimed “spiritual healer” who dealt with so-called black magic at a premises in western Sydney.

Monis had previously been convicted of sending offensive letters to the families of deceased Australian soldiers.

However, he has no known links to jihadist groups, and commentators have suggested he is likely to be working alone.

Anne Aly, head of the counter terrorism research programme at Australia’s Curtin University, told the BBC:

Certainly this appears to be the actions of a lone actor, perhaps not very well prepared, perhaps not very well planned.

Monis, also known as Sheikh Haron and Mohammad Hassan Manteghi, wrote on his website that he used to be Shia but is no longer.

He denied the criminal charges against him, saying they were politically motivated. He compared the accusations of sexual assault against him to the case of Julian Assange, founder of the whistle-blowing website Wikileaks.

His website had been suspended by the time his identity was revealed in the media in connection with the siege.

Before the siege ended, Monis’ former lawyer, Manny Conditsis, told ABC News that Monis was an isolated figure.

His ideology is just so strong and so powerful that it clouds his vision for common sense and objectiveness.

Conditsis, who represented Monis last year when he was charged with being accessory to the murder of ex-wife Noleen Hayson Pal, said he thought the suspect might feel:

He’s got nothing to lose. Hence his participating in something as desperate and outrageous as this.

43 responses to “Muslim cleric shot dead in Sydney”

  1. Broga says:

    I suppose my comment will upset the humanitarians but his death does seem like the shooting of a rabid dog.

  2. John says:

    How dare you, sir! I’d call that pretty offensive to rabid dogs!

  3. Broga says:

    @John: You have a point there, John. I have owned dogs for much of my life: mongrels as a boy (now according to PC to be called mixed breeds), Alsatians (now changed to German Shepherds) and recently Labradors. They all behaved, in the context of the canine world, better than this man. I accept your rebuke and so does my dog.

  4. barriejohn says:

    I’m convinced that he was bonkers, but it seems odd that he is being referred to on the news as a “self-styled Muslim cleric”. Isn’t that what they all are?

  5. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: I think once the bonkers begins when religion throws fuel on the flames and they go totally crazy. Without religion they might get through life being a bit unbalanced but without kidnapping and killing people.

  6. You know I am right says:

    But think on this…..there are many more like this nasty bastard….and as long as the rabid mullahs, imams and islamic “scholars”are allowed to fill the heads of children with evil shit islamic garbage there will be battalions more in years to come. Islam, the worst religion by a huge margin, is an abomination and a blight on humanity. Not much we can do to shut the madrasahs (incubators of islamofacist werewolves) in Pakistan and Iran, but in the civilised world the madrasahs need to be shutdown and the wannabe terrorists given a secular education. Get young minds away from the influence of the evil purveyors of constipated islamic dogma. Stop the poisoning of young minds with religious garbage and religions will wither and die. Everyone knows this, especially the pious who want to retain their power influence and wealth.

  7. Stephen Turner says:

    This is the kind of thing that leads me to conclude that being a human being (and having the right to be treated as one) is a matter of behaviour rather than biology.

  8. AgentCormac says:

    @Broga

    I abhor violence (as I’m sure you do), especially when it is unnecessary and when it is not a last resort. But this guy, seemingly and ironically a representative of the so-called ‘religion of peace’, was knowingly and willingly threatening the lives of others. He deserved nothing more than the response he got. And I do admire the way the Aussies dealt with this – no prolonged siege which would give the bastard plenty of opportunities to wave religious flags and make demands. They just went in there and did the job. Very, very sad that two innocent people seem to have also died as a result of the commandoes’ action, but it certainly sends a clear enough message to any other would-be ‘martyrs’: ‘Don’t fuck with us’. And I wholeheartedly agree with that.

    ‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.’
    Edmund Burke.

  9. Marky Mark says:

    “Religion poisons everything”
    Another one bites the dust…good!

  10. Ivan says:

    “…His ideology is just so strong and so powerful that it clouds his vision for common sense and objectiveness…”

    Quite.

  11. Peterat says:

    Quick question: Why is he out on bail?

  12. L.Long says:

    Actually he is a rabid dog.
    a rabid dog is insane by a viral infection, and does bad things.
    He is insane and a religious infection justified his mind to cause harm.
    You shoot rabid dogs, no difference here either.
    I can hear it now …. BUT this is a human!!!!
    OK good YOU catch him, you imprison him, YOU feed him and care for him for the rest of his life, and YOU accept all the costs, shooting is easier and cheaper, and permanently solves the problem of the insane dim doing any more harm. OH and if you think I’m not being fair, if you find that I have cause harm and death to many people, you have my permission to shoot me.

  13. Broga says:

    @AgentCormac: There is a section of society who, I would guess, feel the same as you, I and others here that it is in everyone’s interest that he is dead. However, that PC section of society says the opposite and abhors his death.

    This enables them to have their cake and eat it. They can be compassionate, as they see it, while despising those who hold the view that he is better dead. I prefer to direct my compassion to his victims, of whom there seem to be a great many, and those still to be victimised should he live.

  14. AgentCormac says:

    Then there’s this response. Humanity will and must win out.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-30479306

  15. Broga says:

    @L. Long: Those distant from his violence, living in the safety of Western comfort, can afford to be compassionate. Those on the receiving end of his rape, kidnapping and murder will have a different opinion.

  16. AgentCormac says:

    @Broga
    As highlighted recently here on The Freethinker (link below), once we become so PC we are afraid to call terrorists what they actually are – i.e. murdering bastards – then they are well no their way to winning. If you’ve ever read Christopher Hitchens’ wonderful autobiography ‘Hitch 22’ he was completely in favour of the invasion of Iraq, a stance which actually lost him a lot of friends on the left (and in hindsight I’m not at all sure he was correct). But at least he had the balls to speak out against the kind of political dogma which can paralyse those of us in the democratic West. As history has shown time and again, appeasement is no answer to those who would rule the world by intimidation and violence.
    http://freethinker.co.uk/2014/10/16/nus-islamic-state-motion-rejected/

  17. barriejohn says:

    I’m appalled at some of the views being expressed here. I thought we were rational people!

  18. AgentCormac says:

    @barriejohn

    Does being ‘rational people’ mean we must roll over every single time and let those who would wipe us off the face of the planet have their way without consequence? Without response? Should we accept that they can do whatever they want and we must, by the very fact that we consider ourselves to be ‘rational’, somehow mean that we cannot criticise? There’s tolerance and then there’s appeasement.

  19. Robster says:

    Local television is plastered with politicians calling the Sydney siege “Political”! Jesussss…the gunman put an islamic faith flag up in the window, extolling the virtues of his chosen favourite fairy, how is that not a religious act? How is it a political act? These dipsticks are motivated by nothing more than their stone-age religious belief, nothing more. It’s totally, one hundred percent religious and is yet another example of the blight caused to society by religious nonsense. I wish that out political leaders would admit this truth and stop playing the bleeding heart. f’christ sake!

  20. Paul Cook says:

    This man did nothing in a political sense.
    He did nothing in a rational sense.
    He did it for what he believed. His beliefs were religious.
    He took over a cafe with weapons and by force, holding people captive, terrified and against their will and (displaying religious material making religious demands) – it is criminal. Society deems it criminal to allow us all to live without killing each other like wild animals.
    There is nothing whatsoever he did that cannot be reduced to his religious insanity.
    The apologists will trot out the usual rubbish – but he did this for religious reasons – like the news is filled with other instances (9/11, 7/7 for example, he has been seen by us all with religion as a main reason for his actions.

    Religion is the crime.

  21. Great Satan says:

    I expect now the various “moderate muslims” and their pc sidekicks will be saying this is nothing to do with islam and that it was the work of a lone loony. The fact is that this creep’s actions were inspired by, and precisely what islamic terror groups want, he is part of their disposable “thin red line” that stretches our security resources – as distinct from the highly trained operatives such as the 900 Hezbollah sleepers reportedly present in Germany http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3872/eu-blacklists-hezbollah.
    Terror is part and parcel of islam and always has been since it’s inception.

  22. Marky Mark says:

    I too was surprised that Hitchens was in support of the Iraq War, but the fact of the matter is something had do be done about that cruel Iraqi dictator. My problem is the lies told to enter the war and the war profiteers like Halliburton who are also snatching up the Iraqi peoples resources, such as their oil.

    Was there not another way to overthrow that nut-case??

  23. Paul Cook says:

    The people murdered.
    The young man was the manager of the cafe.
    A customer. A young woman with three children.
    Just doing his job.
    Having a drink before work.
    Peace?
    Honour?
    Respect?
    Decency?
    Love?
    None of these. It was done by and in the name of the religion of absolute hate.

  24. Angela_K says:

    Breaking news. 500 hostages taken, 20 students killed at a school in Pakistan by the Taliban.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30491435

  25. Newspaniard says:

    You have to feel sorry for the police/soldiers involved here. The PC left will demand a public enquiry over the death of this “poor disillusioned victim of police/army violence”. You know, the same old story. The police do an excellent job of stamping on terrorist activity and within a couple of weeks there are is a queue of people demanding compensation and complaining about police brutality. However, as this didn’t happen in the UK, these guys will probably carry on living their lives as normal without years of harassment they would have had otherwise.

  26. Trevor Blake says:

    Every sympathy for the innocent lives ended by this man’s actions.

    Those who ‘misunderstand Islam’ seem to always misunderstand it in the same way – and always in alignment with the Quran and Muslim history. Murder, kidnapping, rape, tyranny and howling about being oppressed.

  27. Broga says:

    @Newspaniard: Remember that mullah or whatever he was with the hooks? He really took the piss out of the UK and his lawyers made a bundle. What was it – 10 years of expensive legal aid before he was put on a plane to the USA. I think around a £1,000,000 was spent on legal aid plus all the other benefits he claimed while he was preaching against the very society he was shafting.

    In Australia a talented lawyer, aged 38, with three children under 10, one of them aged 4, was murdered. That will be a hell of Christmas for the kids and they spend the rest of their lives with only memories. How does this get explained to the kids? Also a courageous young restaurant manager is gunned down by the same religious crazy.

  28. Dave Godfrey says:

    Two more atrocities committed by adherents of the ‘religion of peace. Islam hasn’t progressed any since the Dark Ages: How much longer can the enlightened world find any acceptance for this ridiculous belief system?

  29. Angela_K says:

    Oh dear, here the come the apologists: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-30479306

  30. AgentCormac says:

    They have no shame and no morals.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-30491435

  31. Broga says:

    @AgentCormac: I think it is only when you see a picture of the face of a child that the pitiless brutality of the “religion of peace” hits home. Until then the numbers obscure the personal suffering multiplied so many times. Being in the presence of these tragic children of the murdered Australian lawyer would be shattering.

  32. Bob says:

    In October the New South Wales parliament passed a law that expunged convictions for homosexuality. That parliament went against God’s law – could there be a connection between this act of wickedness and what happened in Sydney? God is not mocked.

  33. Frits Holland says:

    Man Haron Monis from Iran received political asylum in Australia in 1996. I guess his death was allahs way of saying: don’t be so ungrateful you dick.

  34. Angela_K says:

    Bob Hutton, you odious little man. Making cheap jibes about people being slaughtered because of religion, albeit a different religion to that which has rotted your brain – your idea of christian love. There are no god’s laws and you can’t mock something that doesn’t exist.

  35. AgentCormac says:

    Your inhumanity and lack of common decency know no bounds, Hutton. You are a profoundly repellent person.

  36. Cali Ron says:

    I’m a bit surprised at some of the ‘over the top’ hatred being espoused here. This site usually has a more intellectual bent, this seems very “American”, where outrageous rhetoric is the norm. I hate all religions for the hatred they spread, the lives they destroy and the damage to society. That being said, I don’t hate muslims, most of them I pity for being the victims of indoctrination and the insidious influence of a society dominated by islam. They are mostly the victims of childhood programming just like I was a victim of christian programming. I’m fine with this assholes death, he made his bed and now he’s lying in it. I feel sadness and sympathy with the victims families and freinds.

    You can’t rid the world of an insidious power like religion by hating the followers-you have to educate and change them. Hard to do when all the people you hope to influence only see the face of hatred and intolerance. That actually feeds the fake islamic storyline used by their leaders to justify jihad. The majority of muslims are not crazy killers or we’d have thousands of these incidents every day. I condemn religion, crazed religious fanatics like this guy and all muslims who espouse jihad. But I don’t condemn all muslims.

    To steal and paraphrase a tagline from the christians, “hate the religion, but don’t hate all religious people”. I’m bracing for the backlash now to these comments.

  37. Broga says:

    @Bob says: “God is not mocked.” But as is typical of the alleged acts of this fictional God he doesn’t hesitate to slaughter and make innocent children suffer. If that’s your God you are welcome to the brute.

  38. Stephen Mynett says:

    Bob, thank you for that, my relatives in Sydney will be much happier now they know you are worrying about their well being.

    It is so easy for you isn’t it? Just pick the bits you like from a badly thrown together collection of ramblings from various writers, ignore any historical, archaeological or any other genuine academic evidence and sit in your ivory tower passing judgement and making disgusting claims.

    I can think of no better words than Angela’s, you are odious little man.

  39. tonye says:

    @Bob,

    You are completely devoid of any shred of decency.

  40. Andy says:

    It’s like listening to UKIP with some of the comments on here. Shoot the insane? That’s insane to start with. Pure muppetry

  41. Peter Callan says:

    He used religion as an excuse, he was out of his mind, he had already displayed years of aberrant, anti-social behaviour, he couldn’t make up his mind what religious bullshit he was following and people suffered for it. And AgentCormac, the actions of the “commandoes” did not lead to the deaths of the two people, their deaths are firmly at the feet of the nutcase who instigated the situation. You weren’t there so don’t speculate on the events. That makes you worse than Fox News.

  42. Robster says:

    Bob, you’re fibbing again! God’s often mocked here and elsewhere, it’s the continuing entertainment value of your obnoxious beliefs that keeps us coming back.

  43. Newspaniard says:

    Australia, like Europe must understand that Man Haron Monis represents true islam and we should look carefully at who are refugees and who are, in fact, invaders.

    See this article on how a christian nation is being overwhelmed by its “refugees”.

    http://www.vieinter.com/europe/europe-should-learn-ethiopias-islam-lesson/