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Muslims pose grave problem for family

Muslims pose grave problem for family

A grieving family in Leicestershire are facing the grim prospect of digging up their grandfather and moving him to another plot because the relatives of a Muslim man buried alongside complained about him being a non-believer.

According to this report, Shadrack Smith, 89, died on January 13 after breaking his hip on New Year’s Eve and developing pneumonia. At his funeral on January 30 more than 400 people paid their respects to the retired horse trainer, who was also a popular figure in the Romany gypsy community.

Affectionately known as “Shady”, Smith had lived in an official gypsy camp in Aston Firs, Leicestershire, for 20 years, and his relatives laid him to rest at the nearby Lychgate Lane Cemetery, in Burbage.

His family paid £2,500 for three plots at a multi-faith cemetery and had his grave facing towards his home – a Romany tradition.

Then came a shocking blow. His relatives were informed that a Muslim family who owned a plot next to Smith’s grave had complained to cemetery bosses about their loved-ones being buried next to a “non-believer”.

The family have been warned Mr Smith’s grave may have to be moved.

The local council, who run the award-winning cemetery, will meet tomorrow to decide whether Smith’s grave will be exhumed and moved to another area of the cemetery.

Tracy-and-Sean-Smith

But the family have vowed to fight “tooth and nail” to stop any exhumation taking place. His daughter-in-law, Tracey Smith, 46  – pictured above with her hyusband Sean – said:

This whole thing has devastated our family. We were told when we bought the plots that it was a multi-faith cemetery and it is, but the council has been so unsupportive.

I feel for the Muslim family because they obviously thought they were going to only have other Muslim families buried around them, but that’s not our fault, or our mistake. We have been in the right, and yet the council has tried to bend over backwards to please the Muslim family.

She added:

My mother-in-law found a plot which faced their home, which is a Romany tradition, and it was perfect. So we paid, but to then have the council trying to get us to move when we have done nothing wrong, it’s disgusting. We have not been able to grieve because of all this drama, and it’s been awful.

Four days before the funeral, Burbage Parish Council received a complaint from the Muslim family who own the neighbouring plot.

Julie Perrin, principal officer of the council, wrote to

Smith’s family and asked if they would consider moving Mr Smith to an alternative plot but they refused.

Mrs Smith, from Aston Firs, Leicestershire, added:

On January 26 Julie Perrin said we should find another site but she didn’t even apologise to us. The next day our undertaker phoned saying the she had been on the phone to them to see if they could use one of our plots to plant a hedge as a kind of barrier. But the bodies will still be together six feet underground so what is the point?

I just feel they should have stuck to the rules (being a multi-faith cemetery) from the beginning, instead of deeply upsetting us just to please the Muslim community.

The council received our payment through the undertakers, but they haven’t put our cheque through yet for some reason.

There is no way Shady will be exhumed, if they suggest it we will take them to the highest court in the land. We will fight tooth and nail to stop the grave being dug up.

On the Burbage Parish Council website, a document titled “Burbage Cemetery: Regulations and Management Rules” makes no mention of segregation or separate areas based on religion.

Another council leaflet regarding the cemetery states:

So that people of all denominations can use Burbage Cemetery, the graveyard ground at Lychgate Lane is unconsecrated.

Chairman of the parish council, Councillor Richard Flemming, said:

Burbage Parish Council provides an award-winning cemetery for the benefit of the whole community. Unfortunately the parish council has recently received representation from two families regarding the allocation of adjacent grave plots within Burbage Cemetery.

The parish council is sympathetic to the feelings of both families concerned and is committed to working with the relatives and the wider community to reach an amicable and acceptable solution.

The council said today that the family of the Muslim man may have mistakenly believed his grave was in an Islam-only section of the cemetery.

Principal Officer Julie Perrin, said:

There was a huge level of complaint so the correct procedure has been followed. There appears to be an assumption or misunderstanding on the part of the family complaining because there is nothing in our policy documents about there being any segregation.

Any application for moving a body would have to go through the Home Office if a family wanted that doing.

There will be a meeting regarding the policy (of segregating graves depending on faith) where I hope the majority of the 20 councillors will attend but the families will not be represented there.

Hat tip: Angela K & Ivan Bailey

41 responses to “Muslims pose grave problem for family”

  1. Graham Martin-Royle says:

    If a body needs to be exhumed and moved because of this complaint, then it shouldn’t be Shady’s.

  2. Trevor Blake says:

    What do you get when you appease Islam? More demands.

    England, not even your dead are safe.

  3. Albert Yome says:

    The Religion of Perpetual Offence and Annoyance.

    Special pleading as usual.

    Do they not realise how offensive and insensitive their complaint is?

    It’s as if they’re saying that this human carcass is mere refuse compared to their human carcass. Islam awards itself a feeling of superiority, when looking around the world we can definitely say that muslims are at least no better than anybody else. The nerve!

  4. AgentCormac says:

    If it is so abhorrent to those who believe in a god that the bodies of their dead are buried in proximity to the bodies of people who, in life, didn’t share their superstitions, perhaps they should do what the good folk of Northern Ireland did and build an underground wall in the cemetery to ensure that even in death the madness of religion prevails.

    As ever, those who deserve the criticism here are the bastards who ensured that such utter nonsense was irrevocably instilled into the minds of other people.

    http://www.nuzhound.com/articles/Sunday_Tribune/arts2006/jun11_more_sectarian_than_ever__SBreen.php

  5. paul says:

    Did the Muslims consider a funeral in a Muslim country? We could give them a pack of semtex.

  6. Broga says:

    This is not a problem in any sense than a sane person could accept. It is an invented problem; a grievance conjured up by the hyper sensitivity of Muslims who have grown complacent by having their fatuous demands met. That the demand should even be made is an offence against the memory of Shady and his family who are being stressed by Muslims made demented by their beliefs.

    What also appals are the cowering officials with their weasel words. They should dismiss the complaint immediately and apologise to Shady’s grievously wronged family.

    If these complaining Muslims wish to address real problems they could look at FGM, their pernicious demands to slit the throats of live dying animals, their treatment of women.

  7. Daz says:

    Jebus.

    He’s dead. He no longer exists. He cannot therefore care whether the body which used to house his consciousness is moved or not.

    And if the remains of an ex-Mulsim are buried nearby; they won’t exist to care either.

    Both sides of this argument are, frankly, equally bloody silly.

  8. Angela_K says:

    And we all know what would happen if Shadrack Smith’s family demanded the Muslim body be exhumed: Howls and shrieks of “racist” and the ignorant Mo followers rioting. According to Mo’s book the Muslim guy should be somewhere getting his 72 raisins so it shouldn’t be an issue.

  9. Broga says:

    The effrontery of the Muslim family is astonishing. Especially when some Muslim countries persecute Christians, or anyone else, for even owning a bible. Has David “I do religion” Cameron, or the Queen, Defender of the Faith, or the Archbishop of Canterbury or the head honcho of the RCs (I’ve forgotten his name) any comments to make?

    Christians have plenty to say about gay marriage and assisted dying.

  10. Cali Ron says:

    Angela K: Precisely! Why would it matter what’s next to a dead body who’s ‘spirit’ has supposedly already left. This is utter madness. And why is it the muslims that always seem to need to be appeased. The complaint should be ignored for the foolishness it is. If they don’t like it they can complain to mo and hold their breath like the petulant child they are behaving like. Sigh, religious nutters everywhere.

  11. sailor1031 says:

    Interesting and revealing if unintentionally so:

    “…There was a huge level of complaint so the correct procedure has been followed.”

    Obvious implication: if there had been no “huge level of complaint” the correct procedure would have been ignored.

  12. Robster says:

    Why don’t the muzzies dress up in their beekeeper outfits and go find another award winning cemetery? Surely the annual ‘Dead Set Awards’ for the very best cemeteries must have multiple winners announced at their very dark but glamorous award ceremony each year. There’s probably a specific one for those afflicted with islam so why not dig up the dead fellow and go there? There, the dead relative can mingle with similarly unshaved and overdressed corpses to their heart’s content, leaving the grieving other family alone.

  13. 1859 says:

    The only reason the muslim family don’t want their dead grandad next to Shady is because when the time comes for him to rise to heaven to enjoy the virgins, by mistake, Shady might instead be the one who gets the celestial nuptials.

    I would like to hear from the imam why being buried next to an ‘unbeliever’ is bad? I mean what are the living really frightened of? Shit – even among the dead religion poisons everything!

  14. Paul cook says:

    I don’t see the authority doing much wrong: the key is this sentence:
    “Any application for moving a body would have to go through the Home Office if a family wanted that doing.”

    And that is not going to happen. The application is Shady’s family – and the Home Office is unlikely – i believe – to exhume and move the body to another part. the fact it is unconsecrated ground ( whatever nonsense that is supposed to mean)- in The Uk you can almost bury anyone almost anywhe – even in your back garden. ( with a licence).

  15. barriejohn says:

    Paul Cook: I couldn’t agree more. Shadrack won’t be being exhumed because his family won’t be applying for permission, and that’s that. If, on the other hand, the Mooslims want THEIR relative’s body moved, then that’s another matter entirely – after all, we live in a democratic country (sort of!).

    http://www.uk-funerals.co.uk/exhumation.html

  16. Newspaniard says:

    If they win, of course, our islamist friends will pe pointing out that this “area” is reserved for muslims and then that area will steadily be expanded and before you know it, you will have a walled off islamist graveyard. Just the same as is happening with their living. Move into a street en mass then move everyone else out, usually by intimidation.

  17. Caute says:

    Here is a list of adjectives which, from my perspective, characterise islamists…
    aggressive
    aloof
    arrogant
    belligerent
    big-headed
    boastful
    bone-idle
    boring
    boorish
    bossy
    brattish
    callous
    cantankerous
    compulsive
    conceited
    confrontational
    cowardly
    credulous
    crude
    cruel
    cunning
    cynical
    deceitful
    destructive
    detached
    discriminatory
    dishonest
    dogmatic
    domineering
    fascist
    feckless
    finicky
    foolish
    gullible
    harsh
    hateful
    illtempered
    impatient
    impolite
    impulsive
    inconsiderate
    inflexible
    interfering
    insular
    intolerant
    irresponsible
    jealous
    lazy
    mean
    moody
    narrow-minded
    nasty
    obsessive
    obstinate
    overcritical
    overemotional
    parasitic
    patronizing
    pompous
    possessive
    primitive
    quarrelsome
    quick-tempered
    resentful
    retarded
    rude
    ruthless
    secretive
    selfish
    self-centred
    self-indulgent
    self-loathing
    sneaky
    spoiled
    stingy
    stupefied
    stubborn
    stupid
    superficial
    tactless
    touchy
    thoughtless
    truculent
    unkind
    unreliable
    untidy
    untrustworthy
    vain
    vengeful
    vulgar

    Can’t think of anything positive..sorry … but is that my fault or their fault for behaving in ways which offend me every day.
    Anyone think differently?
    Can anyone add a few more?

  18. Dave says:

    Perhaps that Muslim community should go buy a plot of land somewhere away from all us “infidels”, so they can maintain their exclusivity. I do hope the cemetery did not bow to the Muslim demands.

  19. Maggie says:

    @Caute

    Perpetually offended

  20. Broga says:

    Not just offended but insistent on imposing their opinions on others to expunge their feeling offended. Yield to any request and an attempt will immediately be made to push against any limit. I feel offended by FGM, their belief that death is fit punishment for those who do not believe in their superstition and their treatment of women. My feeling offended counts for nothing as I am an atheist.

  21. Please find below a statement issued by Burbage Parish Council:

    STATEMENT
    10th February 2015

    In response to the article published in The Hinckley Times (5th February 2015) titled: Dispute of grave plots after burial of Gypsy, a spokesperson for Burbage Parish Council said:
    “An inaccurate, divisive and inflammatory article printed in The Hinckley Times appeared to indicate that Burbage Parish Council has considered the exhumation of a person recently interred at Burbage Cemetery – this is totally untrue and without foundation.
    “A number of years ago the Parish Council received correspondence from a Burbage resident requesting that provision be made at Burbage Cemetery for Muslim Burials. The Council were able to accommodate this request by facilitating swift arrangements for burial, providing a particular orientation to the grave and providing a larger size grave plot. The first Muslim burial at Burbage Cemetery took place several months ago.
    “More recently a non-Muslim family with special requirements, which could be met by the provisions already put in place, were allocated the next grave plots within the same area of the Cemetery. Unfortunately a number of complaints followed and the Council initiated their correct procedures and considered the matter carefully.
    “Burbage Parish Council has sought to resolve this matter in a fair and transparent manner and has had extensive dialogue with both families concerned. We have also taken extensive legal advice on all matters associated with the issues raised.
    “Burbage Cemetery is a non-denominational, multi-faith facility and requests from all communities living in and around Burbage will be treated equally and fairly in line with our policies and the law.
    At a meeting held 10th February 2015 the Council’s existing policy was confirmed.
    “The Parish Council regrets any distress.”
    ENDS

  22. Newspaniard says:

    So I queried this article with the Burbage Council and immediately received this reply (Pasted)

    In response to the article published in The Hinckley Times (5th February 2015) titled: Dispute of grave plots after burial of Gypsy, a spokesperson for Burbage Parish Council said:

    “An inaccurate, divisive and inflammatory article printed in The Hinckley Times appeared to indicate that Burbage Parish Council has considered the exhumation of a person recently interred at Burbage Cemetery – this is totally untrue and without foundation.

    “A number of years ago the Parish Council received correspondence from a Burbage resident requesting that provision be made at Burbage Cemetery for Muslim Burials. The Council were able to accommodate this request by facilitating swift arrangements for burial, providing a particular orientation to the grave and providing a larger size grave plot. The first Muslim burial at Burbage Cemetery took place several months ago.

    “More recently a non-Muslim family with special requirements, which could be met by the provisions already put in place, were allocated the next grave plots within the same area of the Cemetery. Unfortunately a number of complaints followed and the Council initiated their correct procedures and considered the matter carefully.

    “Burbage Parish Council has sought to resolve this matter in a fair and transparent manner and has had extensive dialogue with both families concerned. We have also taken extensive legal advice on all matters associated with the issues raised.

    “Burbage Cemetery is a non-denominational, multi-faith facility and requests from all communities living in and around Burbage will be treated equally and fairly in line with our policies and the law.

    At a meeting held 10th February 2015 the Council’s existing policy was confirmed.

    “The Parish Council regrets any distress.”

    ENDS

  23. Philip Smeeton says:

    This is blatant racism and this race hatred by Muslims applies to the English as well. I know of an English Church that was converted into a Mosque. The first thing the Muslims did was to put all of the Christian grave stones into a crusher and use them to pave the pathways of the new Islamic Cemetary.

  24. Har Davids says:

    English is not my first language, but ‘multi-faith’ is a word even I, a non-believer, understand. I’m supposed to be cut up for transplantation and medical research, but if my carcass happens to be buried with people of faith, who cares? I’ll be dead, no concern of mine then.

    What’s next: removal of all haram dead within a 10 mile radius of any Muslim burial plot? Are these people worried about kafur cooties or something? Bones of contention indeed.

  25. Caute says:

    A bit off topic …maybe. Check this out..
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31378724

    At this rate the prisons will be jammed full with gullible stupefied credulous ne’r do well muslim youths too disengaged with the countries that offer them security, health services, social services, reasonable comfort and safety nets, to get up off their arses and do something for their own good.
    Whats the solution…build huge gargantuan new prisons based upon Mosque Design complete with minarets and PA systems to broadcast imamic howlings to contain them…..or convert mosques into prisons by application of extensive security walls, cctv, razor wire, electric fences and all the other stuff…or by all civilised counties chipping in to buy up a large tract of inhospitable land, fencing it off, isolating it and guarding the boundaries with multinational heavily armed military forces with shoot first don’t ask questions rules and then drop all the islamic loons into it and let them live primitive hand to mouth subsistence farming life without the benefit of anything other that gardening tools and a pocket full of seeds. A kind of agricultural oubliette where the lawless can terrorise and kill each other as they wish.

    Or is it more sensible to round up the the poisonous self loathing hate mongering radicalising islamofascist anticivilisation imams and consign them to a life of solitary in high security prisons with no prospect of release.

  26. Caute says:

    Forgot one thing…appoint Bill Donohue as the CEO.

  27. Stuart H. says:

    All very silly, but to be fair Muslims aren’t the only religiots kicking up dumb arguments over graveyards.
    When the corpy opened a new graveyard near us, the local Bishop rocked up to bless it which , being a rainy day, he did by sprinkling the holy water from a central spot while sheltered under a brolly with eyes half-shut.
    Cue furious (and deadly serious) complaint from the local RC priest that he’d wrongfully sprinkled a bit over their ghetto and that Catlickers wouldn’t be able to rest in peace until that ground was re-consecrated by one of their own.
    By comparison, when approached for comment by the press the local surgeon who oversees our small Muslim comunity laughed it off with something on the lines of ‘no harm done, all God’s children’ .

  28. michael says:

    this is less about muslim fundamentalist bigotry and more about local politically correct officials allowing the complaint to go forward. pretty outrageous.

    Time to start attacking our officials who keep pushing this nonsense.

  29. barriejohn says:

    Stuart H: I’ve never really understood what this “consecration” is meant to achieve. In the case of a graveyard, does it mean that everyone buried there will go to heaven, I wonder? Does it, perchance, prevent poor, tortured souls who cannot “rest”from rising out of their graves and haunting the area? (“May he rest in peace” is a damned stupid request, as well!) Like “infant sprinkling” it makes no sense whatsoever to anyone of a rational frame of mind, but they take it all VERY seriously:

    http://www.peterboroughdiocesanregistry.co.uk/consecration.html

  30. barriejohn says:

    Michael: It’s a storm in a teacup. No one is going to be exhumed!

  31. Cali Ron says:

    Definition of consecrate from Google search: “in Christian belief) make (bread or wine) into the body or blood of Christ.” Doesn’t sound very appetizing to me, so thank you, but no. I’ll have my bread and wine unconsecrated.

    After checking barriejohn’s link I had a few questions:
    Do bishops also consecrate pet cemeteries? (The thought of some poor christian’s dog having to lie in unconsecrated ground must be quite upsetting for them.)
    Are the worms also consecrated with the ground and does this give the bishop jurisdiction over them as well?
    Do the worms go to heaven?
    How about the flowers left on the graves?
    Do they fall under his jurisdiction once they are left on the “consecrated” ground?
    Are these stupid questions? YES, but no more so than the muslim complaint at the center of the article.

  32. Stuart H. says:

    In answer to Cali & Barriejohn – Anglican hierarchy round our way love any excuse for a ceremony – they’ll turn up and bless anything that can’t move out of the way fast enough, and yes, one did consecrate a pet cemetery run by an enterprising churchgoer.
    Also had one old vicar, nice old boy but noticeably senile, who was assigned to helping out at the local animal refuge as a way to keep him out of mischief and was known to conduct burials for favourite strays. Mad as a box of frogs, but can’t help wishing some other clergy were as harmless.

  33. jay says:

    “The Parish council regrets any distress ”
    Mealy mouthed government /corporate double talk at its finest!

    BTW how does one become an award winning cemetery? Is it something like the Grammys?

  34. Dave says:

    Shady Smith says it all

  35. Cali Ron says:

    Will the real slim Shady please stand up, please stand up-oh, I guess not!

  36. Vanity Unfair says:

    Aren’t Muslims’ graves unmarked, anyway?
    This is meant to prevent veneration. Only Allah may be venerated.
    Making a fuss like this is a form of veneration.
    As usual, an omnipotent deity is unable to protect its worshippers.

  37. Rob Andrews says:

    Push…push…push. This is an example of ‘gentle jihad’. A mild way of getting their way. It’s one little step towards sharia laws-whereveer and however they can.

    No doubt there will be some kind of public demonstration by the Muslim community, in front of the city hall.

    http://www.inquiryintoislam.com. Especially the article called: ‘Gentle Jihad’.

  38. Dan says:

    What this is an example of is knee-jerk anti-Muslim frothing-at-the-mouth, inspired by a particularly odious and provocative local newspaper report which constructed a major row out of very little.

    Freethinker commentariat: some of you need to a get a grip. Seriously.

  39. gegsieline says:

    Medieval creeds will breed medieval minds. Why isn’t it set in law that death means no more participation in life. Taken to it’s logical extremes no Muslims should be buried in a Christian country. Even if buried in a Muslim country these irate corpses face the possible indignity of being laid out alongside apostate Muslims. Space X maybe the only safe option.