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Game over for radical Islamists in the UK?

Game over for radical Islamists in the UK?

British Home Secretary Theresa May today declared that the UK will no longer tolerate the behaviour of Islamist extremists who ‘reject our values’.

According to the BBC, May said the government was determined to defeat extremism in “all its forms”, but emphasised:

The most serious and widespread form of extremism we need to confront is Islamist extremism.

The Home Secretary promised that a future Tory government would introduce measures such as “closure orders” to shut premises owned or used by extremists and that shariah courts would come under close scrutiny.

She also said there were plans for civil “extremism disruption orders” that could be used against individuals.

Other measures she said would be introduced if the Conservatives won the General Election included:

• “Banning orders” for groups which do not reach the current threshold to be outlawed under terrorism laws
• A “positive campaign to promote British values” to the public
• A review of supplementary schools, which are currently unregulated
• HM Inspectorate of Constabulary reviewing how police forces have responded to “honour crimes”, female genital mutilation and forced marriage
• New “extremism officer” roles in prisons to deal with extremist inmates and gangs
• A “full review of citizenship law” to make sure successful applicants respect British values
• A “sharp reduction” in funding for translation services and a “significant increase” in money for English language training

Chairman of the Muslim Forum think tank, Manzoor Moghal, told the BBC’s World At One Mrs May’s proposals would infringe people’s freedom of speech, saying:

We might be sleep walking into what would be like a police state.

He also insisted  sharia courts “do not contradict British laws” and were “subservient to British laws all the time”.

But Raffaello Pantucci, director of International Security Studies at the Royal United Services think tank, disagreed that the nation was moving towards infringing civil liberties, but said that distinguishing between extremists and conservatives was “very difficult”.

The fundamental problem here is that you’re trying to deal with a group of people who are being very careful about what they say and how they say it.

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Meanwhile, it is reported here that human rights activist, Iranian-born Maryam Namazie, withdrew from speaking today at Trinity College, Dublin because of the imposition of “certain conditions”.

She wrote on her blog:

I’ve just been informed … that college security (why security?) has claimed that the event would show the college is ‘one-sided’ and would be ‘antagonising’ to Muslim students.

Last month preacher Sheikh Kamal El Mekki was invited to Trinity College in an event co-hosted by the TCD Muslim Student Association (MSA) and the Irish branch of the AlMaghrib Institute.

His visit to the university was controversial because, in the past, the “scholar” has explained why apostates should get the death penalty and why the punishment of stoning exists for adultery.

Said Namazie, who was invited to speak in part because of Mr El Mekki’s lecture.

It is unsettling because these people are given free access to a campus, while those who oppose violence and speak out against the violation of rights of non-Muslims and Muslims alike have restrictions placed on them.

No conditions were placed on his talk, nor was there threats to cancel his event over concerns that his position on death for apostates would ‘antagonise’ ex-Muslim and Muslim students who do not support apostasy laws.

If you criticise the Islamist movement, which is a far right political movement, you are seen as attacking ordinary Muslims – and this is not the case. Muslims are not a homogenous group. If you criticise the English Defence League, you’re not attacking the English.

In this report Namazie asked:

Why is defending the right of people not to be killed seen as antagonistic and why is it seen as one-sided to defend human rights?

A Trinity College spokesperson said that the university would not comment on an “event organised by a student society”, adding that the SoFIA would be issuing a statement shortly over “Ms Namazie’s claims”.

Hat tip: BarrieJohn (Namazie report)

14 responses to “Game over for radical Islamists in the UK?”

  1. Brummie says:

    It will be interesting to see how the college spokesperson attempts to wriggle out of Namazie’s justifiable claims.

  2. Broga says:

    Six weeks before a General Election we get these promises. Politicians need to realise that however much they yield to extremists the extremists will demand more. I didn’t see FGM mentioned. The torture, and lifelong hurt, of little girls should be tackled as a priority. How many successful prosecutions of the perpetrators so far? Very few.

  3. TrickyDicky says:

    @Broga

    “How many successful prosecutions of the perpetrators so far? Very few”

    No NONE!

  4. JohnMWhite says:

    Hang on, what values are these extremists supposedly rejecting? The value of bombing the shit out of a country for no good reason or the value of throwing the disabled under the economic bus? The value of letting another nation use UK airports to refuel flights taking prisoners to be tortured in Eastern Europe or the value of taxing bedrooms of the poor while corporates walk away from billions owed?

    I’m all for tackling religious extremism but this is just xenophobic pandering from people who are vicious conservatives in their own right. Cutting translation services and harping on about vague, never-actually-adhered-to ‘British values’ won’t fix the problem of extremists wanting to kill people but it might help keep the Tories in power so they can continue to kick people.

  5. Barry Duke says:

    Actually Broga, FGM was mentioned by Theresa May: “Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary would conduct an all-force inspection of the police response to honour crimes, female genital mutilation and forced marriage.”

    It was in this report:
    http://www.channel4.com/news/theresa-may-home-secretary-islamist-muslim-extremists

  6. Broga says:

    @Barry: Thanks. I missed that. They need to get a grip on the hellish trio you mention and not be deflected by so called cultural norms.

  7. Marky Mark says:

    Maybe it is propaganda for an election…maybe not!
    The point is, at least the violence and primitive beliefs of Islam are being addressed…and why? These politicians have think tanks and research groups, so apparently they are aware that Islam is a concern of the British citizenry…or she would have never brought the subject up.

    Acting on such promises after elected is another whole different animal!

  8. gegsieline says:

    Let’s give it a go

  9. Me says:

    Time to eradicate the blight of islam from our midst. These people have no agenda but to smash up everything of real value, to eliminate all kuffars….all for the purpose of the enforcement of islamofacist regimes across the world. And then ther would be no peace because islam is the breeding ground for murdering groups of bandits, criminals and rebellious destructive hooligans whose only ability,and apparently enjoyment, is to kill and terrorise all the other opposed bandits, mobsters and crooks who infringe their patch. They will drag us back to the primitive violent tribal warmongering hateful vengeful ways that the koran.prescribes.

  10. jay says:

    Ever notice how ‘fighting terrorists’ becomes more and more Owellian?

    • A “sharp reduction” in funding for translation services and a “significant increase” in money for English language training
    Have they not noticed that many of the radicals have grown up in Britain, and already speak English?

    • “Banning orders” for groups which do not reach the current threshold to be outlawed under terrorism laws
    We can’t prove you’re a criminal organization, but we don’t like you so we’re banning you anyway.

    • A “positive campaign to promote British values” to the public
    Sounds more like a propaganda move.

    What could go wrong? (After all we’ll only use these laws against the ‘bad guys’.)

  11. Trevor Blake says:

    At least one British Muslim has responded with an offer to meet May in public debate.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11490030/British-Islamic-State-fighter-calls-for-Muslims-to-kill-Theresa-May.html

    No, I lied, in truth he wrote “#TheresaMay an evil witch should be hunted down and run over with a car to shut her up from speaking words against Islam.” And “#TheresaMay responsible for many Muslims behind bars, we should track this cow & tie to back to car & dragged through London.”

    I’ve said and seen some angry unkind words from atheists at this site. Never a call to murder. That us the domain of the religious.

  12. Dave says:

    And the winner in today’s”Whataboutery” competition is….Mr JohnMWhite.

  13. Stuart H. says:

    I’d like to believe May was serious, but if she was, wouldn’t there equally be a crackdown on Saudi sponsored Islamic fruitcakery?
    My experience of modern academia is that when money talks, serious study stops. For example, is it sheer coincidence that it’s not a problem for Anjem Choudry to speak at Oxford University, which was so grateful to get the Said Business School?
    In similar vein, not a problem for a known extremist to speak at TCD at an event underwritten by yet another Saudi ‘educational foundation’, the type of outfit which, I’ve been led to believe, makes it a condition of support for ‘Islamic Studies programs’ elsewhere (take a look at the project at Cardiff Uni) that the studies are pre-approved by their paymasters, and never critical (especially of their variant of that faith).