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Wanted: a god that surpasseth gender

Wanted: a god that surpasseth gender

Male language and imagery used to describe God should br scrapped and replaced with non-sexist terminology says a Church of England group.

Rev Jody Stowell, a member of Women and the Church (Watch), the pressure group that led the campaign for female bishops, is quoted here as saying:

Orthodox theology says all human beings are made in the image of God, that God does not have a gender. He encompasses gender – he is both male and female and beyond male and female. So when we only speak of God in the male form, that’s actually giving us a deficient understanding of who God is.

Stowell said discussions over terminology arose out of a Westminster faith debate on whether the consecration of female bishops would make a difference in the Church of England.

The matter has been discussed within the transformation steering group, a body that meets in Lambeth Palace to “explore the lived experience of women in ordained ministry”. The group has issued a public call to bishops to encourage more “expansive language and imagery about God”.

The Rev Emma Percy, chaplain of Trinity College Oxford and a member of Watch, said the effect of using both male and female language would be to get rid of :

The notion that God is some kind of old man in the sky.

She said many people in the church had been having this debate for a long time.

It’s just the church moves slowly. [The debate] caught the imagination now because we’ve got women bishops so in a sense the church has accepted that women are equally valued in God’s sight and can represent God at all levels. We want to encourage people to be freer, and we want to get the Liturgical Commission to understand that people are actually quite open to this and there is room for richer language to be used.

Hilary Cotton, the chair of Watch, said the shift towards gender-equal language was already at an advanced stage in some sections of the church.

The reality is that in many churches up and down the country something more than the almost default male language about God is already being used. Quietly clergy are just talking about God as ‘she’ every now and then.

 Hat tip: BarrieJohn &  Trevor Blake

20 responses to “Wanted: a god that surpasseth gender”

  1. AgentCormac says:

    So, there you have it: the inerrant word of god isn’t actually inerrant after all and can be changed willy-nilly by man, or woman, (‘but why Loretta, Stan?’) so long as it keeps bums on pews and the c-of-e vaguely relevant. Wonder if the rcc will follow suit with this one? Somehow I very much doubt it.

    As for getting rid of ‘The notion that God is some kind of old man in the sky’ does rather beg the question, why would you think a woman in the sky, young or old, is any less fucking ludicrous?

  2. andym says:

    If she wants a pronoun that surpasses gender we’ve got one already, “it.”
    What a colossal waste of bloody time.

  3. Broga says:

    The world is going to hell (not the biblical one); the arctic icecap is melting faster; a species a day is becoming extinct; the sea is polluted; the air in many places is dangerous to breath; the Muslims are slaughtering Christians and anyone else they choose; the psychotic Kim Jung is itching to get his finger on the nuclear button; the priests are continuing to rape children and the C. of E. is discussing:

    “The matter has been discussed within the transformation steering group, a body that meets in Lambeth Palace to “explore the lived experience of women in ordained ministry”.

    And they wonder why the pews are empty.

  4. 1859 says:

    Well now, if we are ‘made in the image of god’ – as believers would have the rest of us believe – and god is sexless ,then, ergo,we are also sexless. So the LGBT community can rejoice and I can at last dust down my bra and shove a tampon up my nose. This should look good when I go in to teach my sixth form this morning!

  5. L.Long says:

    Who give a schite about the imaginary sex of an imaginary Ahole.
    As said the world is going to hell and we have important things to do.

  6. Angela_K says:

    Call me pedantic but shouldn’t the CofE first provide evidence that their god actually exists, then they can fret over the pronoun.

  7. Thegodglyareafuckingburdenonreality says:

    If you want to see what convoluted contorted complicated confused confounded confections the pious get themselves into then I suggest you watch the most recent edition of The Big Question on the BBC.I advise you to have a plastic bucket ready to vomit into. Oh and please watch on a TV that is disposable as you may want to kick in the screen when you hear the absolute trash asserted by the various loons. It seems God can be anything you like actually. Mental Masturbation of the highest order. Why do we tolerate people like this who make their living from ….well just talking trash. We would be much richer as a country if these imbeciles actually made some kind of positive contribution to society rather than jabbering on and on and on and on and on and on to each other ratcheting up the pious tension to screaming point. Fucking useless.

  8. sailor1031 says:

    In the KJV, which is the only authorized inerrant word of doG, Yeshue bar Yussef refers often to “your father who is in heaven”. He even taught his followers to pray to “our father…..”. Not a word about anybody’s mother in heaven. If orthodox theology holds that doG has no gender then orthodox theology is clearly wrong.

  9. Stephen Mynett says:

    The sex of Great A’Tuin is a far more interesting question and the books a much better read, plus, so far, no one has claimed that as they understand what the books mean it gives them the right to rule the world.

  10. Barry Duke says:

    If these women want to be taken seriously, they’d better start growing beards:
    http://epicpew.com/top-11-catholic-beards/

  11. Robster says:

    Goody! A new improved generic god, made up in whatever image you choose. can’t go wrong,but wait, there’s more, the new improved Jesus comes in whatever gender you choose too, the holy ghost/spirit/mother Mary, the choice is yours, Mary would perhaps look better in a dress, the rest? Doesn’t really matter.Is the model making company Airfix still in business? If they are, here’s a rather good business opportunity. Knock together the god of your choice. Long hair and beards, optional. Call now for a free set of steak knives…

  12. Ex Patriot says:

    Just call your imaginary sky fairy IT, because really who cares. These loons have to much time n their hands which could be put to better use than talking about nothing that matters.

  13. AgentCormac says:

    Some interesting background to why god is supposedly male from the BBC.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32960507

  14. sailor1031 says:

    Barry: that is a singularly disturbing website. I guess I forgot just how mired in backward superstition RCC Inc. is.

  15. dennis says:

    well all I can add to this is simply
    ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahahahahahha
    just insane

  16. Laura Roberts says:

    I guess what they’re saying is, they worship Hermaphroditus. Didn’t realize Greek gods were still on anyone’s radar…

  17. Cali Ron says:

    @Barry
    I’ve always felt the bearded ladies never got the respect they deserve.

  18. Stephen Mynett says:

    Laura Roberts, according to Godchecker (http://www.godchecker.com) Hermaphroditus: Tits and bits. Handsome man meets beautiful nymph in lakeside liaison and she ends up moving into his place. Literally. Two can live as cheaply as one when you share the same body.

    HERMAPHRODITUS started as the handsome son of HERMES and APHRODITE until he got jumped by Salmacis, one of the NYMPHS. She was very persistent. She wanted to be with him body and soul — literally.

    Nice to see Odin is still number one in their god hit parade. Not a bad site, quite amusing in places. It has this to say about a god that is still quite popular with some these days: . . . With peoples and tribes swarming all over the place, the Middle-East was overloaded with competing Gods. In fact it was a classic environment for the process of Natural Selection — and ‘survival of the fittest’ ensured that only the very best Gods evolved to prosper down the millennia. (If you can’t cope with the idea that the existence of God proves Darwin’s Theory of Evolution, you’ll just have to put up with it.) . . .