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Vatican in a mess over ‘toxic’ Kim Davis

Vatican in a mess over ‘toxic’ Kim Davis

In a desperate bid to extricate the Pope from the row that erupted after Francis met with Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses for same-sex couples, the Vatican is insisting he gave her no more than a typical brief greeting and that the conversation described by her lawyer. Mat Staver, never occurred.

According to this report, the only “real audience” that took place in Washington involved a gay man.

Yayo Grassi, one of the Francis’s former students brought his partner of 19 years to the Vatican’s embassy for a reunion with the Pope.

Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi emphasised in a statement issued yesterday that the meeting with Davis was arranged by the office of the Vatican’s ambassador in Washington, not by anyone in Rome – including the pope.

The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs Davis, and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects.

The disclosure, after the Vatican’s unusual attempt to correct the impressions left by Francis’ meeting with Davis, added to days of speculation about whether Francis intended to send a message on the place of gays in the church, or conscientious objection, and whether his advisers had fully briefed him on Davis, or had their own agenda.

“Nobody in the Catholic Church wants another Regensburg,” said Massimo Faggioli, an associate professor of theology and director of the Institute for Catholicism and Citizenship at the University of St. Thomas in St Paul. He was referring to the backlash after Pope Benedict XVI, Francis’ predecessor, gave a speech in Regensburg, Germany, that appeared to denigrate Islam.

“This was not as serious as Regensburg, when Benedict read his own speech,” Dr. Faggioli said about the meeting attended by Davis.

But the Pope has to be able to rely on his own system, and in this case the system failed him. The question is, was it a mistake, or was it done with full knowledge of how toxic she was?

The Rev James Martin, editor at large of the Jesuit magazine America, had cautioned in an article this week that the Pope meets many well-wishers on his trips, and that news of the meeting with Davis had been manipulated. He said in an interview yesterday:

I was very disappointed to see the Pope having been used that way, and that his willingness to be friendly to someone was turned against him. What may originally have prevented them from issuing a statement was the desire not to give this story too much air.

But what they eventually came to realize was that they needed to correct some gross misrepresentations of what had happened. It shows that Pope Francis met with many people on the trip, and that she was simply another person who he tried to be kind to.

Staver, however, insists:

This was a private meeting initiated by the Vatican. My contacts were Vatican officials in the United States. And I was informed the request came directly from the pontiff.

Staver said the request had come on September 14, the day Davis returned to work after her release from jail. Davis and her husband were picked up at the Omni Shoreham Hotel in a van by private security guards who spoke Italian, he said. She had been instructed to change her hairstyle so she would not be identified.

Staver said Davis was not among a large group of people meeting the Pope. She saw no one else waiting to see the Pope and no one else saw her.

But at the Vatican on Friday, a spokesman, the Rev. Thomas Rosica, said the invitation had been extended by the nuncio’s office – not by Rome.

Who brought her in? The nuncio … I would simply say: Her case is a very complex case. It’s got all kinds of intricacies. Was there an opportunity to brief the Pope on this beforehand? I don’t think so.

The nuncio in question is Archbishop Viganò who turns 75 in January, the age at which bishops must submit a formal request to the Vatican asking for permission to resign.

These requests are not automatically accepted, and bishops often stay in their appointments well past age 75. But if Archbishop Viganò is held responsible for what is seen as a grave misstep on an important papal trip, he is likely to be removed at the first respectable opportunity, according to several church analysts.

Commenting on mess the Vatican has found itself in, blogger Joe.My.God said of Archbishop Viganò:

That dude is SO fucking fired.

17 responses to “Vatican in a mess over ‘toxic’ Kim Davis”

  1. barriejohn says:

    Maybe it’s the Pope who’s “so fucking fired”. He contacted an old gay friend and told him that he wanted to give him a hug whilst in America:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/02/us/pope-gay-washington/index.html

    I don’t think the hierarchy are too pleased with him at all. Wouldn’t it be amazing to have TWO Popes Emeritus at the same time? The man’s size is ballooning and he can hardly walk now, if you’ve noticed. Retirement for “health reasons” would be a distinct possibility!

  2. Newspaniard says:

    Inside the Vatican, the thunderous noise was heard of hundreds of umbrellas going up covering peoples’ arses.

  3. Goindy51 says:

    Vigano had been buddies with the same people who love them some Kimmy D, the National Associate of Marriage:
    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38440/pope-francis-swindled-kim-davis-meeting/
    Add to this that he is a super conservative when it comes to marriage and one of Ratzo’s boys and we have the reason he rat f-ed his present boss.

  4. SallyinMI says:

    Gee, and little Kim has a book coming out in December that was attracting little notice. Now the ghostwriter can add a whole juicy chapter about meeting the Pope, and suddenly Catholics are interested in her book. Bet her lawyer gets a slice as well. Nice grifting, Kim. Have a book tour scheduled too? Watch out for the tomatoes.

  5. She is pig ugly on the inside and the outside. says:

    A shrewd observer once said ‘Burning of books is soon followed by burning of people’. Even so I think the the squalid opportunist Kim Davies’s book should be stacked high, doused in gasoline and torched.

  6. Ivan says:

    Liberty Counsel are a widely recognised listed hate group and their client Kim Davies is one of the most recognisable and reported on clients.

    That the Vatican should invite such a person to a meeting – secretly to boot – and then claim they were unaware of their guest’s agenda and the details of her case is ludicrous.

    They are either lying or are totally incompetent.

  7. Lurker111 says:

    So we’ve got the RCC, Which Never Lies, and Kim Davis & Atty., Who Never Lie, at contradictions with each other.

    Pass the popcorn.

  8. barriejohn says:

    The Pope’s gay friend, Yayo Grassi (see above link), is defending him:

    http://www.examiner.com/article/pope-francis-kim-davis-pope-s-long-time-gay-friend-speaks-out-about-davis

    Pope Francis met Kim Davis – along with several other dozens of people — the day after his visit with his longtime gay friend. Republicans have cheered the encounter while liberals have questioned whether Pope Francis was adequately informed about Davis’ background. Whether due to language interferences, visitors’ fatigue, or lack of background information, Kim Davis most likely heard the same words that Pope Francis has told many other women, “be courageous, be strong.”

    It would be interesting to know who put Davis (an extreme protestant)forward as a candidate to meet the man, and what their motives were. Davis is quite clearly cashing in on the encounter now.

  9. barriejohn says:

    As Rolling Stone writes, “such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the Pope’s characteristic kindness and availability. The only real audience granted by the Pope at the Nunciature was with one of his former students [Grassi] and his family.”It is the anti-gay advocate’s lawyer who is making more out of the encounter between Pope Francis and Kim Davis.

  10. barriejohn says:

    Want a good laugh? Following up the comments on that article I came across the following story:

    http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-100000-person-prayer-in-peru-for-kim-davis-was-hoax-107717

    If that is true how the fuck did we miss it – hahahahaha!!!!!

  11. Hey there's a skid mark says:

    I read the BBC News website several times a day in the hope of some really good or happy news. Well today it happened and what a doozie of a story. This good Polish chappie has done a wonderful thing. Read the link below and beam your most happy smile …as indeed I am as I share this with you. What with the Kim Davies fiasco making the Vatican frantically backpedal this is the last thing they needed on the eve of their dogma fest.
    And attention of the media works both ways. Some days you get the good coverage you crave and other days you get nothing but embarrassment and angst.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34432701

  12. Broga says:

    “You would need a heart of stone not to laugh.”

  13. AgentCormac says:

    Senior vatican priest Krysztof Charamsa comes out as gay and claimes the rcc’s attitude to homosexuality is ‘backward’, while Frankie’s inexplicable entanglement with the loathsome Kim Davis goes meltdown. All in all, a wonderfully shambolic PR disater of a day for the vatican. More of the same, please Frankie!

  14. […] reeling from the fiasco over the Pope’s meeting with Kim Davis, the Vatican today suffered another devastating blow when Monsignor Krzysztof Charamsa, a senior […]

  15. Trevor Blake says:

    “Nobody in the Catholic Church wants another Regensburg.”

    Pity.

  16. Laura Roberts says:

    There is no honor amongst thieves, grifters or attention whores.