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Atheists ‘in a panic’ over Sodom evidence

Atheists ‘in a panic’ over Sodom evidence

The Conservative Tribune (Motto: In Defense of Western Civilisation) gleefully reports on new ‘evidence’ regarding the destruction of the city of Sodom, and that non-believers are now in a ‘panic’.

The ‘evidence’ was reportedly uncovered by an archaeological team led by Steve Collins, above, from New Mexico’s Trinity Southwest University.

The Tall el-Hammam Excavation Project, which has been operating for years, found ruins of a city  in southern Jordon that came to “a sudden end” during the Middle Bronze Age, from 2000-1540 BCE.

Initial tests show that no life existed in that area for about 700 years after it ended.

Reporting on the discovery by the team, The Conservative Tribune said:

The discovery seems to supports the biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah, which the Book of Genesis describes as having been destroyed because of their sinfulness, including homosexuality.

Collins and his team have been working in this area for 10 years and have made major advancements in their understanding of the civilizations that existed during this age.

Because Collins and his team are so familiar with the area and other sites in the area, he is reasonably certain the area his team recently discovered is Sodom.

Collins has studied accounts of Sodom extensively and said, ‘Tall el-Hammam seemed to match every Sodom criterion demanded by the text’.

While Christians believe the story of Sodom and Gomorrah to be true, others – namely atheists – see this and other Bible stories as nothing but myths. This discovery and others like it are creating a panic among atheists, who will no doubt work tirelessly to dispute this story.

But at the end of the day, the evidence is difficult to dispute.

Hmmm …

Writing for Haaretz back in 2014 Judd Yadid said that perhaps the only way to ever confirm the citizens of Sodom were destroyed in a fiery cataclysm  for their  alleged homosexuality, and by extension, that God really does hate gays, is to unearth a “smoking gun” in the form of:

Homoerotic stone inscriptions or carvings depicting man-on-man action that survived the cities’ apocalyptical end and millennia of decay.

But unlike recovered artifacts affirming the proclivities of the ancient Greeks, no smoking gun has been found in the Dead Sea region – and likely not through the Bible-and-spade brigade’s lack of trying.

29 responses to “Atheists ‘in a panic’ over Sodom evidence”

  1. Fruitpicker says:

    Ancient city destroyed. Search no further because god did it.

    Personally I’m not in a panic. Those whose minds haven’t turned to mush will be looking for plausible explanations such as seismic activity, famine, epidemics, drought etc.

  2. Broga says:

    I’m trying to keep my panic under control. I would like to know which atheists are in a panic. Is Richard Dawkins or Sam Harris losing sleep over this.

    It doesn’t take much to convince a devout Christian of the truth of the bible or the wickedness of atheists.

  3. AgentCormac says:

    Yawn. They go looking for archaeological evidence of a biblical story, find something that looks like it might fit the bill, and suddenly every last word in the bible must be, well… gospel truth. Like the account of the great flood, many stories in the bible are no doubt based on historical fact – ancient cities burned in early times, tsunamis certainly wiped out entire regions and so on. But to suggest that this was the work of a deity and therefore makes every last word in the bible undeniably true is just about as dumb as suggesting that atheists are somehow in a ‘panic’. The phrase ‘clutching at straws’ innevitably springs to mind. And rather than being in a panic, I for one am looking forward to hearing more about this discovery as I just love anything to do with archaeology. Until IS blow it up, of course.

    BTW, anybody caught up on this? In an attempt to get bums on pews, one Spanish church is turning itself into a drop-in centre where just about any distraction is available. Talk about desperate!
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34428636

  4. John Dent -Smith says:

    So you find some remains of a civilization which could have been destroyed or superceded by others.Dating from a time in pre history that saw migration & conflict as well as possible natural dessert from drought to floods,crop failure to diseases & what is deduced without any evidence.Oh yes,an angry God destroyed it for a crime described as such by tent dwelling illiterate nomads centuries later to justify their religious control of the population & believed as absolute truth millennia later by self righteous bigots.Right,ok ,I’m distraught

  5. John the Drunkard says:

    ‘…criterion demanded by the text’.

    Gee, I wonder what ‘text’ they could mean?

  6. What’s that? An ancient settlement in one of the most conquered and reconquered parts of the world got destroyed in the Bronze Age? Was there a roadsign with it’s name on?

    Let me check…. Yep! Definitely panicking. Clean out of tonic for my gin! Will have to use orange juice. Sod ’em, I say.

  7. barriejohn says:

    Pardon me for my lack of panic over this earth-shattering news, but I thought that the sites of Sodom and Gomorrah had been located years ago:

    http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a007.html

    TV channels like Yesterday air programme after programme claiming that “irrefutable evidence” of the “absolute accuracy of the Biblical record” has been established, whereas all turns out to be assumption and supposition upon closer examination (as commenters have pointed out above). They even show “Biblical scholars” poring over their Bibles as if they have some special knowledge unavailable to the rest of us, whereas to a former Bible student like myself such claims are laughable. Not only that, but they still promote Biblical fallacies like the Pentateuch claim that the Hebrews were slaves in Egypt, whereas we KNOW that that is a fallacy. No one questions any of this, and much of it seems geared to a gullible American market, but I was horrified to see that darling of Discovery Channel, Graham Hancock, being interviewed recently on BBC News about his new book of old theories about Lost Civilizations and Forgotten Wisdom. Do they really expect us to take this guff seriously?

  8. L.Long says:

    Sodom found!?!?! BFD!!! They also found Egypt, Rome, Jerusalem, and many other place names mentioned in the buyBull. The buyBull is still BS!!!!
    After all they found New York City and even a little spider silk!!!!! Spiderman is REAL!!!!!!!

  9. Angela_K says:

    Lunatic christians crowing after scratching around and distorting things to fit the answers they have already made up. Did I hear Fly fart?

  10. jay says:

    The existence of the ruins of Troy proves that the Odessey was true. And furthermore that Zeus was heavily involved in human affairs

  11. jay says:

    oops. Odyssey

  12. Vanity Unfair says:

    And just outside the city was a life-size statue of a woman carved in salt.
    Incidentally, when Lot looked back at Sodom why was he not likewise turned into a pillar of salt? (Genesis 19:28) There is no time limit in the warning.

  13. Erp says:

    Oddly enough a lot of the pushback on the site being Sodom is coming from Bible literalists because if the site is Sodom then the Bible is inaccurate in its description.

    I’ll also note that identifying the site as Sodom (or any major city mentioned in the Bible) probably encourages funding for further research. The only really definitive evidence would be some writing (engraving perhaps) identifying the place as Sodom.

    The most recent official report
    http://www.tallelhammam.com/uploads/TeHEP_SEASON_TEN_2015_REPORT.pdf
    and a looser back and forth
    http://www.tallelhammam.com/uploads/Collins_Answers_Billington.pdf
    Leaving aside the Bible this is a site that was destroyed leaving a widespread and deep ash layer (.5 to 1 meter in depth) dating to late MB2/MB3 (MB is Middle Bronze Age which would be about 1650CE). So what caused this destruction? Military sacking followed by burning, accidental fire, earthquake followed by fire or something rarer in the way of a natural disaster. However some evidence of Late Bronze Age building has shown up so life did exist in the area shortly after the destruction.

    I’ll note the excavation is joint between Trinity Southwest University an unaccredited Christian school in New Mexico and the Jordanian government. The chief archaeologist seems to be serious in his methods even if blinkered by his preconceptions.

  14. 1859 says:

    I think what they must have uncovered is the road sign reading ‘Welcome to Sodom’. And then to clinch the theory they must have discovered the very last edition of the ‘Sodom Express’ in which there are explicit pictures of what you need to do as a good citizen. And if that’s not convincing enough, I guess they will soon discover a recording of god’s voice booming from the clouds saying ‘I’m going to kill the lot of you for poking your dicks in each other’s bums! Go die! Ha! Ha! Ha!’ For after all the Big Guy moves in mysterious ways, sometimes so mysterious it borders on insanity. But hey, it’s time fro me to go back to bed….ZZzzzzzzzzzz

  15. 1859 says:

    @ Vanity Unfair: You should read on and see what happens to Lot and his two daughters (but I won’t tell you as I’d spoil it – just don’t forget what you read is supposed to be the word of god and therefore OK for the rest of us!)

  16. barriejohn says:

    Some people think that Lot’s Wife has been found:

    https://cmmorrison.wordpress.com/2010/09/11/lots-wife/

    Of course, the writer of that article isn’t so stupid:

    Apparently, such rock formations, from small to large, are not uncommon in that area. It’s certainly possible that one of them could be Lot’s wife, but it would be impossible to identify which one it would be.

    Could you get a more ridiculous comment than that? Yes, you certainly could:

    So why did Lot’s wife turn back? It is certainly possible that she may have longed for her life in Sodom, but try to put yourself in her shoes just a moment. It was not just her home and social life that was being destroyed. She had children and possibly grandchildren still in the city. Her emotional devastation at losing them clouded her judgment.

    So, Lot’s missus was petrified not because of her longings for the material benefits of life in Bummer Town, but because she showed compassion for friends and family being consumed by the conflagration! That Yahweh – don’t you just love him?

  17. Laura Roberts says:

    Thanks so much for posting this one — truly comical. It amazes me sometimes, the lengths to which these folks are willing to go to construct their Atheist Straw Man.

  18. barriejohn says:

    Laura: Or Basalt Woman!

    This is unbelievable:

    The entire Bible, though penned by multiple human writers (Deuteronomy 18:18; Jeremiah 1:9; Acts 28:25; Romans 3:2; 2 Peter 1:21) over a period of about 1400 years, is actually the unified work of one divine Author (2 Timothy 3:16–17). Jesus Christ affirmed the authenticity of the Old Testament in Luke 24:25–27 and in multiple passages where He referenced specific historical events from the Old Testament. These include the creation and marriage of Adam and Eve (Matthew 19:3–6; Mark 10:3–9), Abel’s death (Luke 11:50–51), Moses and the bronze serpent during the plague (John 3:14), Moses and the manna (John 6:32–33, 49), Lot and Lot’s wife and the judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah (Luke 17:28–32; Matthew 10:15), Elijah’s miracles (Luke 4:25–27), and Jonah and the great fish (Matthew 12:40–41). Jesus Christ accepted the historicity of the Old Testament, but the “experts” on the History Channel impute greater wisdom to themselves, having also rejected the biblical accounts directly pertaining to Jesus.

    https://answersingenesis.org/reviews/tv/the-history-channel-lost-the-truth-of-gods-word-in-bible-secrets-revealed/

  19. Head Teacher says:

    It is the religious who are in a panic. There is so much scientific understanding of how the universe works, how biology works, how the mind works that we have no need of gods and religion now. So there are two ways for the pious to counter the overwhelming flood of evidence against their beliefs. The first is to simply assert that god is so mysterious and wonderful that we can now see how great he is to have hidden all these wonders for us to discover. And those who still try to find teeny weeny little gaps in which they hope god may be lurking.
    Put simply in terms of a football (soccer) match result …
    Steve Collins – 0 (he put the ball into the net but the goal was disallowed for total lack of scientific rigor).
    Science – 947,000,000,000,000,000,000,002

  20. Head Teacher says:

    I have evidence for the Great Spaghetti Monster.
    Last night I saw a shooting star over my house and this morning I found some unordered spaghetti in my Supermarket Delivery. I did not order it and on the delivery check sheet the inclusion of the spaghetti was not listed. This is a miracle providing irrefutable existence of the Great Spaghetti Monster.

  21. Infidel753 says:

    As usual, the alleged panic is passing unnoticed by those supposedly experiencing it. Just like the various “irrefutable proofs” of Noah’s Ark, or that 9/11 was staged, or that the Moon landings were faked, or that Obama was born in Kenya, etc., etc., etc., this too will pass without making any impression on those knowledgeable about the subject or on most of the public. Very frustrating for the respective crank groups involved, except for whatever donations they rake in from the gullible to “help get the word out”.

  22. Club Secretary says:

    @Head Teacher says:
    Mon 12 Oct at 9:47 am
    I have evidence for the Great Spaghetti Monster.

    Verily you have been touched by His Noodly Appendage,

  23. dennis says:

    sounds like Mr Steve Collins needs money for another search and destroy mission. he is no better than ISIL destroying archaeological sights. “serious in his methods” only because he most show some expertise to help sell the story of Atheist running for the hills. Erp sorry I am dubious of Collins methods.

  24. barriejohn says:

    Dennis: One in a long line of Westerners interested only in Christian and Ancient Hebrew sites in the Middle East. Jewish archaeologists are dumping tons of remains containing evidence of occupation of Palestine over the past two thousand years in their quest to locate the remains of “King David’s Kingdom”. It is, as you say, as bad as the vandalism of ISIL, and they will never be forgiven for it by coming generations.

  25. Vanity Unfair says:

    To 1859:
    I already did. I thought I’d leave it as an Easter egg.
    There is also the story of Abraham’s and Sarah’s treatment of his slave and her and Abraham’s son: biblical childcare at its best.

  26. Cali Ron says:

    So glad to see this story. I was completely unaware that I was in a panic. I guess I can add Sodom found to the lists of evidence of christ and the bible like the pieces of wood from his cross and the shroud of Turin, or that toast with the virgin Mary on it.

  27. Angelo Ventura says:

    Stop before I die laughing

  28. There is no reason to doubt everything in the bible. Even if we assume that the epic tale of Sodom is based on historical fact, it doesn’t make it any more likely that God exists. More ancient books than the bible, with even more unbelievable characters are littered with glimmers of historical accuracy. That doesn’t mean that the surrounding fiction is any more true. Believers should be careful what they wish for. The closer we get to the truth in their books, the more likely we are to find the lies in between.