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Gay priests should abandon RC Church

Gay priests should abandon RC Church

The Roman Catholic Church is ‘full of homosexuals’ yet chooses to make life ‘hell’ for millions of gay Catholics.

That’s the view of Krzysztof Charamsa, above, a senior Vatican priest who was stripped of his post earlier this month after admitting being in a gay relationship.

According to the BBC, in a letter to Pope Francis Charamsa accused the Church of making the lives of millions of gay Catholics globally “a hell”.

Until 3 October, Monsignor Charamsa held a senior post at the Vatican at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the department that upholds Roman Catholic doctrine.

The Vatican immediately stripped him of his post after he held a news conference in a restaurant in Rome to announce that he was both gay and in a relationship. Roman Catholic priests are meant to be celibate.

The Polish priest has released to the BBC a copy of the letter he sent to the Pope, written the same day as the announcement, in which he criticises the Church for “persecuting” and causing “immeasurable suffering” to homosexual Catholics and their families.

He says that after a “long and tormented period of discernment and prayer”, he had taken the decision to:

Publicly reject the violence of the Church towards homosexual, lesbian, bisexual, transsexual and intersexual people.

The 43-year-old says that while the Roman Catholic clergy is “full of homosexuals”, it is also “frequently violently homophobic”, and he calls on:

All gay cardinals, gay bishops and gay priests [to] have the courage to abandon this insensitive, unfair and brutal Church.

He says he can no longer bear the “homophobic hate of the Church, the exclusion, the marginalisation and the stigmatisation of people like me”, whose “human rights are denied” by the Church.

The priest goes on to thank Pope Francis – who is thought to have a more lenient attitude on homosexuality than some of his predecessors – for some of his words and gestures towards gay people.

The Pope recently met a gay former student of his during his recent visit to the US, and has previously said that gay people should not be marginalised in society.

But Krzysztof Charamsa says that the pontiff’s words will only be worthwhile when all the statements from the Holy See that are offensive and violent against homosexuals are withdrawn.

He also urged the Church to annul a decision taken by his predecessor, Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, to sign a document in 2005 that forbids men with deep-rooted homosexual tendencies from becoming priests.

The Polish priest described as “diabolical” Ratzinger’s statement that homosexuality was:

A strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil.

The priest writes that LGBT Catholics have a right to family life:

Even if the Church does not want to bless it.

He later criticises the Vatican for putting pressure on states which have legalised equal or same-sex marriage.

He also expresses his fears about the impact his coming out may have on the treatment of his mother in Poland, “a woman of unshakeable faith”, saying she bears no responsibility for his actions.

The Catholic Church’s “family” synod ended on Sunday, but made no change to its pastoral attitude to gay Catholics.

The final document agreed by the Synod Fathers reiterated Church teaching that gay Catholics should be welcomed with “respect” and “dignity”. But it restated that there was

No basis for any comparison, however remote, between homosexual unions and God’s design for marriage and the family.

The synod voted through a paragraph saying that it was unacceptable for pressure to be put upon local churches over their attitude towards same-sex unions, or for international organisations to make financial help contingent on poor countries introducing laws to “allow or institutionalise” marriage between people of the same sex.

Hat tip: AgentCormac

18 responses to “Gay priests should abandon RC Church”

  1. Broga says:

    Krzysztof Charamsa has made a brave move. He could, like so many, have stayed under cover and satisfied his sexual needs in private. Many priests stay under cover while abusing children and they have never been short of the support and protection of their church.

    Charamsa is not being victimised by his church for what he did but for being honest. He still seems to retain faith while abandoning the RC Church. Maybe, in a more free environment he will abandon that.

    In the meantime, it seems to me that Charamsa, and other priests who take similar action, should be welcomed into an environment where they can enjoy being encouraged to think freely.

  2. AgentCormac says:

    While I believe that Charamsa is doing the world a huge service by publicly highlighting one of the most repugnant doctrines of the catholic church, I simply do not understand why anybody whom the RCC openly hates as a mattert of policy would want anything whatsoever to do with that vile institution in the first place.

    I also have no doubt that most catholics will be utterly ambivalent to Frankie’s supposed ‘liberal’ attitude to gaydom, and as a result that the power-player hardliners will ultimately get their own way. The reason being that while none of the catholics I know actually give a toss about anything their church says, and are quite happy to cherry-pick the rules they want to live by, as a direct result of childhood indoctrination they not only feel compelled to support the church throughout their entire lives, they also inflict the same on their own offsrping. And it is precisely this unwillingness of the average catholic punter to challenge the church becuase they are held in fear of eternal damnation, and also see their belonging as some kind of badge of honour, that enables the conservatives to keep their grip on doctrine and power.

  3. asquith says:

    They could always join the Anglo-Catholic wing of the Church of England. All the male homosexuality, none of the onerous demands of a serious religion. 🙂

  4. Stonyground says:

    I have always been baffled by the attitude of those Catholics who are appalled by the misogeny of the Catholic Church. The answer is just so obvious and easy, Stop being a Catholic, it really is that simple. Nothing bad will happen. Heaven and Hell are lies made up by people who have a vested interest in you believing them, this is really really obvious. Stop being a Catholic FFS.

  5. Cali Ron says:

    How is it that this gay priest gets booted out, but all the one’s raping boys are protected. They raped males, which by definition is gay and it was forced on them, where as this priest never raped anyone, let alone a child. Utter nonsense. I understand someone being gay, but don’t understand staying in the RCC if you are.

  6. 1859 says:

    I expect Charamsa is feeling an immense sense of relief – why? Because he is now out and being totally honest with himself and the world. I wish him well. I also hope his example begins to fracture the odious institution of the RCC. His fight is for human rights not just gay rights.

  7. Robster says:

    Why gay people would desire to be in any way associated with the Catholic or (insert preferred belief system here..) is just mindblowing. Biblical nonsense is the single biggest reason (excuse) for discrimination against gays and lesbians, why someone born gay would embrace such overt silliness is very hard to understand.

  8. Lucy1 says:

    @caliron. The rapists were tempted by the wicked children, and then confessed their sins and were forgiven. You can do anything and get away with it in many religions, as long as you claim satan made you do it.

  9. Trevor Blake says:

    Another person who joined a religion with clear and public and unwavering rules, who thought the rules did not apply to him. Then when the rule did apply to him, he blamed the rules. Stick your hand in flaming horse excrement and your hand will stink and burn. Best to not do it, bad to do it, worst to do it then act surprised or upset that your hand stinks and burns.

    Religion opposes change until it favors it, then it never shut up about how it caused th change to begin with.

  10. Newspaniard says:

    I suppose he could become an atheist and get a real job.

    Oooh! Look! Editing is back.

  11. Angela_K says:

    @Trevor Blake, I have argued many times with Gay Catholics and Christians and they all share the delusion that by remaining in their cult, they can somehow change it – utter fools.

    I’ve read in various media the Catholic apologists are saying this Priest was sacked because he wasn’t celibate rather than Gay.

  12. Broga says:

    I think the RC Church will stick to the hard line as , overall, that will be easier for a long time to come. If they stick to the hard line, literal, approach they will have millions who have neither the education nor the access to challenge that would lead to questions.

    It’s a question of numbers. More numbers who are ignorant.

  13. David Anderson says:

    “God’s design for marriage and the family.”

    Obviously God wasn’t around until sometime in the 12th century when the cesspit of the Catholic church got hold of it. I recall reading somewhere that there were same sex unions in the more enlightened era of Ancient Greece that passed without fuss or comment.

    Also, of course, there are many cultures in the world that do not require any god or gods to be married including my own civil marriage performed in the UK.

    I would be ashamed to admit that I was involved in any way with the stinking Catholic church.

  14. Laura Roberts says:

    If celibacy is supposed to be a priest’s thing,then shouldn’t he leave the church if he wants to have relations of any kind, straight or gay? A friend of mine is an ex-priest who left the church mainly because he fell in love and wanted to get married.

    More to the original point, however: I join those who cannot fathom why any gay person would be in the Catholic church.

    …or anyone who cares about children.

    …or anyone with a minimal understanding of history.

  15. L.Long says:

    OK! I get their economic investment in the church so leaving is difficult. And if you accept the gayness at an older age and you are embedded into the the church…..To which I say TOUGH Schite!!!! You either accept the RCC or QUIT!!!! or continue being a hypocrite, aint hard to do for a religious dude. Economic investment is clearly your own fault for not doing proper planning. Like a sports player going to college on sports grant and making no plans for being injured…TOUGH!!!! Catlicks do not lie any better than any other religion so start your own where jesus loves everyone! After all reading the buyBull it is easy to see that gawd is a flaming gay guy and woman hater.

  16. AgentCormac says:

    OT, but I just read that Saudi blogger Raif Badawi has been given another award – on this occasion the Sakharov human rights prize. Good to see he hasn’t been forgotten and that attention is still being drawn to his inhuman treatment at the hands of the Saudi regime.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34667260

  17. Stephen Mynett says:

    Good news AC but on a less positive note, I read somewhere yesterday (will try to find it) that the postponed floggings may be re-started soon.

  18. dennis says:

    Charamsa timing seems politically uninspired. all he did was stiffen the back of conservatives in the church. the rcc still believes in the virgin birth of all things. his nice letter of resignation can only form the basis for another luther denomination in christian dumb.