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Christian values? Queen and her PM need a reality check

Christian values? Queen and her PM need a reality check

Following news that our dear old Queen is set tomorrow to deliver ‘her most Christian message yet’, UK Prime Minister David Cameron today urged people to reflect on Britain’s ‘Christian values’ in his Christmas message.

George Broadhead, Chair of the Coventry & Warwickshire Humanists reacted to Cameron’s speech in this email:

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Hat tip: PPS & BarrieJohn

22 responses to “Christian values? Queen and her PM need a reality check”

  1. AgentCormac says:

    The PM said the country’s “important religious roots” made it “a successful home to people of all faiths and none”.

    Which ‘religious roots’ are those then, David? Paganism? The plethora of Roman gods? Ancestor worship? They’ve all had a place in British life until superceded by some other form of superstitious nonsense.

  2. Angela_K says:

    Cameron is very good at making himself appear stupid to the rational but clever to members of the Christian cult. I’m certain all this bleating about being a Christian country is just to appease those that fear competition from another middle eastern cult. And of course the BBC, always fawning and obsequious about religion, perpetuate this factual error.

  3. Laura Roberts says:

    This is an interesting contrast to the rhetoric in America. England has historically had church-state entanglement (C of E), but the modern population is largely non-religious. Hence Christian pundits can use historical precedent to support the claim that England has Christian roots.

    America was founded on the principle of church-state separation (hence no C of A), but the modern population remains largely religious. American Christian pundits use majority rule as their excuse and must either distort history or ignore it entirely if they wish to invent Christian roots.

  4. barriejohn says:

    Yes – “Christian values” again. Like having sex with your wife’s servant; raping your daughters; stopping at nothing to dispossess others of their land and property; claiming that you have a divine right to rule, and that others have no right to challenge what you do. No wonder the ruling classes have always been so keen on promoting “Judaeo-Christian values”!

  5. barriejohn says:

    No wonder I was a bit confused when I read this article on the BBC News site this morning and realized that the remarks were being credited to the PM, as I had assumed that they were talking about Justin Welby. However, HIS statement had been made during the usual fawning, obsequious interview on ITV News last evening:

    http://www.itv.com/news/2015-12-23/justin-welby-the-government-must-act-to-tackle-shameful-homelessness/

    Note that no one would be in the least bit interested in the fate of the homeless and disadvantaged were Jeebus not to have visited Earth. He actually claims that apart from “Christian values” they wouldn’t even matter, AND IS ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH IT!

    “Thank you very much indeed, Archbishop.”

  6. Graham Martin-Royle says:

    What gets me is that these people only drone on about this at this time of year, as if all the problems disappear during the rest of the year. It’s a bit like how so many want to volunteer at xmas but think the homeless, hungry, poor etc. aren’t there the rest of the time.

  7. Broga says:

    I think Cameron is pursuing his Christian values: “Blessed are the poor”. He is trying to make lots of people poor. They Queen, hand ever outstretched for more alms from a compliant government, doesn’t give a toss for her subjects.

  8. Newspaniard says:

    Free speech remains free speech.

  9. barriejohn says:

    Newspaniard: What has that got to do with anything? Would you let them get away with it?

    Broga: Jesus said that the poor will always be among us, so if we eliminate poverty we are disobeying him!

  10. Broga says:

    @barriejohn: Slave owners were keen that the slaves should have Christian belief. The slaves, and the poor, get their reward in heaven. The Queen, and Cameron, get their reward here and confidently expect to be in heaven.

    I never watch what is said to be part of Christmas – the Queen’s speech. That prissy voice reading something someone has written for her and talking down to the rest of us is not for me.

  11. barriejohn says:

    Broga:

    The rich man in his castle, the poor man at his gate;

    God made them high and lowly, and ordered their estate.

    (Mrs C F Alexander, 1818-1895)

    I knew Christians who used to say: “The Lord knows who to give the money to.” Can you believe that?

  12. L.Long says:

    I’ve read their book o’BS and I want nothing of their xtians non-values!!

  13. edwords says:

    Silent night, rational night
    All is calm, all is bright
    God has suffered a lingering death
    Theologians are gasping for breath
    Dream of World to Come
    Dream of World to Come.

  14. Vanity Unfair says:

    I can think of some Christian values that Cameron and HM would like to see spread around. These are expounded by Peter and the arch-corrupter of the NT, Paul.

    1 Peter 2:13-17
    13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;
    14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well….
    17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
    18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

    Hebrews 13:17
    17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that [is] unprofitable for you.

    Romans 13:1-7
    1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
    2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
    3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
    4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
    5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
    6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
    7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

    Be a good Christian. Obey your rulers, pay your taxes and don’t rock the boat.

  15. Cali Ron says:

    @edwords: Nice rendition. I believe silent night is the response to all those prayers to a non-existent god. May the night of all freethinker be filled with the sounds of friends and family enjoying the Winter Solstice. Peace.

  16. barriejohn says:

    Cali Ron: I read a comment somewhere yesterday (I think it might have been on the MailOnline) where some Christian zealot was asking why atheists were complaining about religion being forced down their throats whilst still joining in their religious festivals. I couldn’t be bothered to reply. (“He’s the reason for the season”!)

  17. Cali Ron says:

    barriejohn : So we shouldn’t join in the celebration they hi jacked from the pagans? Amusing considering most of the celebratory activities have nothing to do with religion, Ex: santa, presents, feasts, etc

  18. barriejohn says:

    Cali Ron: December 25th was just like any other day of the year until Jesus came along!

    Happy Festive Season everybody. Hope Yule have a good time!

    http://www.zazzle.com/atheist_christmas_greeting_card-137888113787400602

  19. Angela_K says:

    @Barriejohn. You are forgetting that on this day a child was born who by the age of thirty had changed the World – Isaac Newton.

    Best wishes to all, even you religious types that come here.

  20. barriejohn says:

    Angela: And Humphrey Bogart, Rod Serling, Quentin Crisp and Kenny Everett! But I was thinking more of the Solstice, and other festivals which predated Christianity, actually. The following article is very good, even though written from a Christian point of view:

    http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/new-testament/how-december-25-became-christmas/

    Merry Christmas!

  21. Peter Sykes says:

    @AngelaK
    Nice one, and just a few days later Galileo died. Cue
    the nutters claiming a soul was moving about!