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Patriarch Kirill accuses Church of England of being too liberal

Patriarch Kirill accuses Church of England of being too liberal

The Russian news agency Interfax has reported that Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia, above right, voiced concern to the Archbishop of Canterbury, left, that the Anglican Church is deviating from the norms of Christian teaching.

Interfax said that the patriarch, who visited London last week, had told Archbishop of Canterbury:

That the Russian Orthodox Church is seriously concerned with liberalisation of the teaching of the Anglican Church in questions of church rules – consecration of women to priests and bishops, and in morals and family issues.

Kirill’s spokesman Alexander Volkov told the journalists prior to Kirill’s return to Moscow that the patriarch expressed hope that the Church of England:

Will oppose the challenges of the modern world and try to preserve the Gospels teaching.

Curiously, Interfax appears to be the only site to carry this news item, but the Catholic Herald reported that Kirill’s visit to celebrate 300 years of the presence of Russian Orthodoxy in the British Isles had been criticised by UK MPs and Ukraine.

Labour MP John Woodcock said that it was “very troubling” for someone so closely associated with the current Russian government to be welcomed to Buckingham Palace at a time when Russia is supporting:

A murderous Syrian regime.

Woodcock’s fellow Labour MP, Alison McGovern, said the visit was:

An inappropriate PR opportunity.

Ukraine’s ambassador to the UK, Natalia Galibarenko, reportedly said that Britain’s hosting of the patriarch risked legitimising Russia’s aggression in her country and described the patriarch as:

A Kremlin mouthpiece.

Around 1,000 people gathered in London’s Russian Orthodox cathedral to witness the consecration of the building, conducted by Kirill.

Welby was in attendance at the historic service at the Russian Orthodox Cathedral of the Dormition of the Mother of God and All Saints in Knightsbridge.

In an address after the service, Patriarch Kirill said:

The Church is a community open to everyone, [it] erases all human controversies. Even a very rich man stands next to the poor one, high-ranking officials stand next to the common people.

The Church should also play a role in international relations. Through faith, through the Church the soul of a nation is manifested.

puppy

The patriarch received a gift of a Pembroke Welsh corgi puppy from the congregation.

21 responses to “Patriarch Kirill accuses Church of England of being too liberal”

  1. Daz says:

    “Will oppose the challenges of the modern world”

    Says it all.

  2. Broga says:

    Poor bloody dog.

    “Will oppose the challenges of the modern world.” One challenge Kirill could oppose was mentioned on the radio news this morning. Since 1970 60% of species have become extinct. God doesn’t seem to care about what he created. As biodiversity decreases the likelihood of human extinction increases.

    Not a subject that figures much in religious debate. Instead we here about Kirill and his bleating.

  3. Trevor Blake says:

    “Kirill’s spokesman Alexander Volkov told the journalists prior to Kirill’s return to Moscow that the patriarch expressed hope that the Church of England: ‘Will oppose the challenges of the modern world and try to preserve the Gospels teaching.'”

    … which made me curious so I found this…

    “The early Church Fathers never criticized or condemned slavery. Early Christians and Christian writers accepted slavery as a necessary part of fallen man and justified it in the case of captives taken in war and criminals sentenced to slavery. Some of the popes and patriarchs owned slaves, and religious orders owned slaves; not one Orthodox hierarch or theologian of the early Church said slavery was intrinsically evil. Almost every Council of the Church—regional and ecumenical, in both Eastern and Western Christendom—discussed and regulated slavery but never condemned it nor sought, in any way, to abolish the institution.”

    https://scottnevinssuicide.wordpress.com/2015/03/28/slaves-and-vassals-in-the-orthodox-church-st-nikodemos-the-hagiorite/

    The Church is for slavery until it is against it. Don’t notice the change, don’t notice the change followed after secular social change, and don’t notice they never renounced (only began to ignore) their teachings and traditions. Notice, and you’re a bigot.

    Every other Church change, good or bad, will be the same. Here we see a church split about gays and women. They will follow secular change, good and bad, as they have done for centuries.

  4. Ivan says:

    Kirill features in what is possibly the best GIF ever…..

    https://twitter.com/nigelbritto/status/668794967439966208

  5. Holy Balloney says:

    Who gives a fuck what Kirill thinks or says. Putin’s mute and deaf god conduit is nothing more than a overblown and overdressed political puppet threatening gods wrath upon all those poor losers under the boot of Putin’s new old communist dictatorship. Russia, a tragic country befouled with corruption and in the sole control of a megalomaniacal psychopathic murderous criminal thug.

  6. Holy Balloney says:

    What the fuck was Kirill even doing in the UK in the first place?

  7. Marcus says:

    Just goes to prove that there’s room on the planet for TWO old queens with Corgis.

  8. 1859 says:

    What a pompous numpty in a ridiculous outfit! If the white salad bowl on his head isn’t enough, there’s a bloody cross on top as well! Somehow the more ornate these toads are on the outside, you can bet the more dumb there are on the inside. It’s called ‘inverse proportion’.

  9. Robster says:

    Those boys are exhibiting a fine line of bling.

  10. Smokey says:

    It’s a comedy of errors.

    Accusations of No True Christianity™. This is why there are thousands of Christian denominations! OTOH, divide and conquer.

    Stupid hats. There’s a correlation between hats and regressive fundamentalism. Talk about mad hatters.

    Silly names. “Dormition of the Mother of God and All Saints”. Did they think that through? God had a mother?

    Resisting modernisation, progress and equality.

    Gifting a dog. Seriously, you don’t give a dog as a gift. But then, they don’t give a shit about human lives either. It is truly a death cult.

  11. Broga says:

    @Smokey: Spot on. Giving a dog as a gift does no favour for the receiver who is stuck with a live, sentient creature whose chances of decent care are low. The stupid idea of the dog as Christmas gift will soon see thousands of abandoned dogs, including on motorways.

    I don’t suppose Kirill will be spending much time looking after the dog. Whose nasty and ignorant idea was this?

  12. Paul says:

    On the dog: I agree, how on earth give a dog,as how is it appropriate ? It’s quite irresponsible, but then it is nearly xmas.

  13. Bart says:

    I wonder where that dog is now?
    Just another stray cur scavenging the streets of Moscow?
    Donated to an Orthodox believer in Ulm on condition it is allowed to piss on the cathedral tower?
    An ingredient up at some down and out Muscovite soup kitchen?
    Skinned and its pelt used for to make a whacky new winter bonnet to keep Kirills head warm?
    I favour the last option because in the picture you can see Kirill feeling the dogs head and saying “This is perfect for my new winter bonnet. The cross can fit right on top, look right here. It will look wonderful and keep out the chill. But it’s a real pity the ears are so short and sticky uppy. On second thoughts send this one back and ask for one with long droopy ears. I think there is one called a spaniel. Yes a dogs head furry hat with cross on top wouldn’t look right unless the ears drape over my saintly shoulders like the rest of my hats”.

    Sorry to say but all the above makes more sense than anything Kirill uttered on his propaganda mission to the uk.

  14. Broga says:

    “The more I see of men, the more I like dogs.” Madame de Stael. And that was even without meeting Kirill.

  15. AgentCormac says:

    All things bright and beautiful
    All creatures great small
    All things wise and wonderful
    Charles Darwin explained them all.

    Poor little dog. Fancy having to spend your entire life with that deluded old tosspot.

  16. Holy Balloney says:

    Here’s another evil bastard.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-37795957

  17. Kevin H. says:

    And as he was leaving, Kirill held a Press Conference at Luton Airport. “I’m declaring a Holy War on terror”, said he.

    Pity the poor children, the women, the doctors and aid workers in Aleppo who are now discovering what Kirill’s murderous “Holy War” means.

  18. Vanity Unfair says:

    Seen on a wayside pulpit several years ago: “God is for life, not just for Christmas.”
    Well, it made me smile.

  19. John says:

    Welby should have asked him “What’s the Russian for piss-off?

  20. StephenJP says:

    I’ve been following this site for some time: first comment. I’ll keep it brief.

    Kirill is in this country only because the CofE invited him. I would love to know who’s advising Welby on issues like this. This man is a Putin cheerleader with blood on his hands (let’s hope HM the Q was wearing gloves when she was forced to greet him). The CofE these days gives the impression that it is happy to welcome anyone,no matter how obnoxious, as long as they can be described as ‘people of faith’.

  21. Tony says:

    I much liked 1859’s comment noting the inverse connection between their outside ornateness and inside stupidity. I also suspect these crossdressers are likely to possess willy sizes in inverse proportion to the sizes of their crucifixes