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Ex-archbishop has a three-point plan to combat UK secularism

Ex-archbishop has a three-point plan to combat UK secularism

FORMER Archbishop of Canterbury Lord George Carey, 81, above, thinks he has the answer to faith being ‘sidelined’ in Britain.

According to this report, in a bid to “reverse the tide of growing secularism” he made three recommendations:

• The first is to promote religious education in schools, making it mandatory in GCSEs such as science, and including it in the English Baccalaureate.

• The second is the introduction of Christianity in citizenship tests for any migrants wishing to come to the UK.

• Lastly he called on the Government to take note of the effect Christianity has in everyday life, and provide training in religious affairs to judges who deal directly with those issues.

Carey, who claimed that Christians and the faith as a whole was being sidelined, was responding to reports that councils up and down the country, including Bradford and Birmingham, were banning Christmas rituals.

It is a preposterous yet dangerous state of affairs when Christmas cards are considered offensive, or the Cross is banned because it is thought divisive. Yet this is the world we live in.

Carey, who was Archbishop from 1991 – 2002, said the religion was being marginalised as Britain moved to an ever more secularised society.

We are wholly indifferent to the fate of Christians and Christianity within our own shores. This hostility from British officialdom is completely at odds with the Christian core of our national life.

Carey added that the slow disintegration of Christian culture was part of the reason communities were eroding and social cohesion was breaking down.

In civil life as a whole, we are choosing to forget the Christian heritage which has contributed so greatly to our laws, rituals, language, our traditions and even our landscape.

He went onto to say:

I have never found a British Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or Jew who is the least bit offended by Christian rituals, let alone the public celebration of Christmas. They positively welcome being made to feel part of Christian festivals, just as many Christians enjoy sharing in celebrations of Eid, Diwali and Passover.

We don’t have to sacrifice our own individual beliefs when we enjoy a party with our friends.

24 responses to “Ex-archbishop has a three-point plan to combat UK secularism”

  1. AgentCormac says:

    Basically what the loon is demanding is state-enforced promotion and acceptance of christianity because most people couldn’t care less about it if given the choice. These are desperate days indeed for the CofE.

  2. Daz says:

    “Carey, who claimed that Christians and the faith as a whole was being sidelined, was responding to reports that councils up and down the country, including Bradford and Birmingham, were banning Christmas rituals.”

    Which, as far as I can tell, has never actually happened. It’s like the Winterval myth [pdf]. Someone, somewhere, does something in December and doesn’t specifically label it “Christmas,” some local hack distorts it so it reads as if it’s a deliberate rejection of Christmas, then the nationals get a hold of it and it becomes a “ban.” Then it gets churnalised to hell an’ back, with either the Mail or the Express declaring that the ban was made in order to appease thin-skinned Muslims. Then someone like Carey stands up and declares that Muslims aren’t protesting at Christmas celebrations so the ban (the existence of which has become a given; no fact-checking needed) is unneeded, and what’s more it’s an attempt to sideline Christianity.

    And a thousand fucking morons will ignore any attempt to show them that the story is a fabrication from start to finish, and will confidently hold all this up as yet more proof that Muslims are destroying our way of life, that PC lefties are doing the same, or both.

  3. Daz says:

    Carey’s article has been posted in full on the Daily Heil site.

  4. bill says:

    Carey … Didn’t he cover up for that child raping bishop … you know … the one who was mates with Charlie Windsor.

    Carey must be desperate indeed, and off his fucking rocker, if he thinks compulsory adherence to the CoE is going to happen. Better send for the guys in white coats. Poor old duffer.

  5. andym says:

    It’s so much more a romantic feeling your demise is at the hands of secularist “persecution,” when really you know that it’s because a growing number, approaching, if not already a majority, just don’t give a toss about your beliefs or rituals.
    Carey is a big idiot in a competitive field. He was put up as a candidate for Ab of C by the bishops because they thought he was such a fuckwit Thatcher would have to reject him and reluctantly accept their preferred candidate. Thatcher thought the fuckwit was good idea….

  6. Angela_K says:

    “….Government to take note of the effect Christianity has in everyday life…”
    We already know the effects of Christianity and other religions: they are toxic, corrosive, divisive…..

  7. tonye says:

    Is this the same Archbishop Carey who son, a vicar, was investigated for historic abuse crimes?

    Good to see him giving advice on morals and ethics then.

    Hypocrisy and religion go hand in hand into yet another year.

  8. Trevor Blake says:

    I live in the USA so I only know of these things second hand through the news (and we all know not to always trust the news). I am concerned about secular communities in England. There are now several ‘no go’ zones where only ‘evidence-compliant’ shops are allowed. I cannot forget the sight of the secular beheadings and bombings that have happened in England. Unless something is done to integrate secular communities into the greater community I fear the worst.

    Did I get it right?

  9. Rumours. says:

    Get this!
    A neighbour who does Christianity better than any one else (Cross on the Front Door, Dressers in Purple all the time, No Sandals, every other word, “The Lord”) told me that !in Bradford you can not walk round town with a Bible under your arm!. She looks so pathetic with her
    plastic bag with the Bible inside witnessing to anyone who will listen. Muslims say, !you can walk round Bradford with a Bible under your arm! LOL

  10. Brian Jordan says:

    Doesn’t Old Mother Carey realise that her tide’s gone out?

  11. barriejohn says:

    @bill: http://freethinker.co.uk/2016/07/19/police-urged-to-investigate-lord-carey-former-c-of-e-head/

    No doubt he has a cunning plan to deal with that issue as well.

  12. Dave says:

    “…just as many Christians enjoy sharing in celebrations of Eid, Diwali and Passover.”

    Eid – otherwise known as the Sacrifice Feast.

    The passover – a celebration of an act of genocide.

    Easter – celebration of a man being pinned by his hands and feet to a wooden cross.

    Oh yes, there are so many good things to celebrate in religion.

  13. Broga says:

    @bill; “Carey … Didn’t he cover up for that child raping bishop … you know … the one who was mates with Charlie Windsor.”

    Carey and Christians of his ilk have no shame. They will ignore the facts of their own behaviour while demeaning others, decent and innocent people, with whom they disagree.

    It is the nature of the beast to express concern about deteriorating moral standards while embracing, in shameless deceit, morals that would repel the atheists they condemn.

  14. L.Long says:

    So this dimwit’s plan is to aggressively brainwash all the kids, then get the gov’mint to make some sort of xtian Sorry-Ass Law, and make sure only the ‘right kind of people’ are allowed to be there! Yep! Sounds just like all the xtian fascist I;ve heard of before.

  15. Vanity Unfair says:

    Carey wants “to promote religious education in schools, making it mandatory in GCSEs such as science, and including it in the English Baccalaureate.”

    That would certainly make maths, history, geography, geology, palaeontology, philosophy, biology and physics easier to teach. It would also mean that UK schoolchildren would be unemployable in any but the most basic of jobs.
    Can he really have meant that?

  16. L.Long says:

    Yes Vanity as the best way to keep the sheeple in religion is keep them stoopid and poor!

  17. John the Drunkard says:

    Carey isn’t reading the papers much, is he?

    Recall the Ahmadiya shopkeeper in Glasgow who was stabbed to death when a Twue Muslim (e.g. Wahabbi nutjob) took offense to him wishing his neighbors ‘merry christmas.’

    Of course that was in addition to the offense of BEING an Ahmadi.

  18. Maggie says:

    Secularism is no threat to anyone. He’s looking the wrong way.

  19. Stonyground says:

    He is deliberately conflating secularism with atheism Maggie. He just knows that atheism causes the total breakdown of society, this has been well known for centuries. Presumably he has to pretend not to notice that societies with a high proportion of atheists are healthier and have a far better quality of life that those that are highly religious.

  20. 1859 says:

    My take on this is that Mr. Carey has gloriously shot himself in the arse, because what other conclusion can you come to from his statement that we must “reverse the tide of growing secularism” other than he can not have done his job properly when he was the Archprick of Canterbury? And not just him – all the other Archpricks before him and after. Had they excelled in inspiring the faithful there could not be this “tide of growing secularism”. Q.E.D.

  21. Stonyground says:

    Having thought about this a little more, it seems to me that there is quite a bit of paranoia and conspiracy theorising going on here. Christianity is dying on its arse because it has had its day. People don’t believe in it, not because of some sinister secularists plot, but because it isn’t true. His plan for state enforced indoctrination of children would fail if he succeeded in getting it implemented anyway, simply because of the internet. He should also ask himself why he needs to make his pitch to children, could it be because he is unable to make the case for his religion to adults?

  22. Daz says:

    @Stonyground

    He should also ask himself why he needs to make his pitch to children, could it be because he is unable to make the case for his religion to adults?

    “Give me the child until his seventh year”: a tacit admission that religion prospers by indoctrinating those who’ve not yet learnt to reason and are highly susceptible to arguments from authority.

  23. Stuart W says:

    Back in 1997 I had to take a compulsory GCSE in RE (just one lesson a week and that was pretty much a doss) because when it was offered as an optional subject for year 10-11 only ONE person in our entire year chose it and then only because he saw it as a soft option. So, because nobody wanted to do it, we all had to. What would be so different and interesting about the compulsory Christian education he suggests?
    Not at all surprised about Carey’s third proposal considering a few years back he was demanding special ‘sensitive’ (i.e. loaded dice) juries for cases involving Christians.