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Christian killjoys queer the pitch for gay nativity figurines

Christian killjoys queer the pitch for gay nativity figurines

When the demented Andrea Williams of Christian Concern got wind of the fact that Christmas decorations featuring same-sex couples were being sold on the crafts website Zazzle she went ballistic.

According to Pink News, the loathsome woman said:

These decorations are a desperate and ridiculous attempt to pretend that homosexual relationships are pure and holy. They blasphemously portray the Lord Jesus being parented by a homosexual couple. What depths will the LGBT lobby stoop to in order to try and normalise their behaviour?

She added:

God’s design is for children to grow up with a male and a female parent. The Lord Jesus was parented in this way, and this is what is best for children. The LGBT lobby is not interested in the welfare of children but only in pursuing its own selfish agenda. Trying to rewrite the Christmas story is their latest self-deception.

Shamefully, the creator of the figurines – California-based artist Mark Thaler – buckled under pressure from the evangelical bullies, and withdrew them from sale.

Thaler, according to this report, got the idea for the alternative nativity figures from Kittredge Cherry, above,  a retired lesbian pastor and author from Los Angeles who reimagined the nativity scene in a way that challenged the notion of a “traditional family” in a 2009 photo series, titled “Love Makes A Holy Family”.

Cherry explained that Jesus himself came from a very untraditional family. He technically had two fathers (God and his adoptive dad, Joseph). And she pointed out that Mary gave birth without having sex with a man, not unlike lesbian mothers who use artificial insemination to start their families.

The conservative Christians of today tend to act like they own the copyright on Jesus and they get mad when someone changes the image and switches the figures around,. They don’t want to think that Jesus could be one of us, but that was the message of the whole Christmas story: that God is with us.

She said she knows firsthand the damaging effects of a theology that bars gay people from experiencing family life, and that Christmas is a time that is especially hard for some gay Christians.

People in the gay and lesbian community feel excluded from the church much of the time. Then at Christmastime there’s a lot of depression, because there’s so much emphasis on the church and the family, and a lot of gay and lesbian people have been excluded from their families, or their families won’t let you bring your partner home for Christmas.

Cherry wasn’t expecting her photo series to pop up in the news this year. She said it was an “unexpected gift” to be able to share these images with the world again,  especially considering the challenges that gay Americans will face after President-elect Donald Trump and his lunatic vice-president Michael Pence, a conservative Christian, come into office.

Hat tip: Angela_K & BarrieJohn

29 responses to “Christian killjoys queer the pitch for gay nativity figurines”

  1. Daz says:

    ” Trying to rewrite the Christmas story is their latest self-deception.”

    Whereas rewriting Isaiah is fine 'n' dandy?

  2. John - of course! says:

    There are biblical references to a beloved disciple, who is usually associated with John the Apostle or John the Evangelist.
    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciple_whom_Jesus_loved.
    This has been cited as an example of a gay relationship between Jesus and one of his male followers.
    It is not a problem for me because there is no historical evidence for the existence of Jesus (or Moses or Mohamed) so all this faux-outrage is simply laughable to me.
    Williams needs to get out more and try living a normal life.
    It would do her so much good.

  3. Trevor Blake says:

    “God’s design is for children to grow up with a male and a female parent.”

    Ah! That explains why parents never die or divorce, and why there are no orphans. God’s design sure is wonderful.

    Of course the Bible is full of children who grew up with a male parent and a female parent and another female parent (and another and another). God’s design?

  4. Eric T says:

    Ms Williams says that “God’s design is for children to grow up with a male and a female parent. The Lord Jesus was parented in this way, and this is what is best for children”, but doesn’t point out that Christians believe that the Lord Jesus was the son of Mary, but not the son of Joseph. Does that mean that God’s plan is for all children to be brought up by a couple formed by a woman who was their mother and a man who was not their father?

  5. AgentCormac says:

    ‘God’s design is for children to grow up with a male and a female parent.’

    And Willaims knows this how, exactly? Has she had a call from her god? An email, maybe? Or perhaps the two of them communicate telepathically.

  6. PJH says:

    “God’s design is for children to grow up with a male and a female parent. The Lord Jesus was parented in this way,…”

    It’s just a shame the male parent in this case was a cuckold – if you believe the Bible that is.

    And this is the sort of thing she wants to promote?!

    Of course, that also probably makes Jesus a bastard – why else would Mary be a ‘virgin’ unless she wasn’t actually married to Joseph at the time?

  7. Newspaniard says:

    All this fuss over characters who never existed. What kind of life does this bloody fanatical woman lead that she is so bloody vociferous in pushing her narrow belief system on others and being so superior about it?
    Who pays these people? What are their salary bands? Who gives them the publicity in the first place when they deserve to be shunned?

  8. L.Long says:

    The bigots don’t like the toys then they should buy them all to stop the sales! ;-}

    Besides I agree the bigots should show three parents! The rapist, the slut, and the cuckold!!!

  9. Pink News is run by the hard left. Its readers are like automatons–all thinking in the same way and saying exactly the same things. Anyone who dares to disagree with the general consensus will have their comments flagged as being ‘inappropriate’ (the greatest of all crimes) and will in the end be blocked from posting any further comments at all. The Eternal Victims infesting Pink News are as vicious and creepy as fuck. They seem to regard anyone who disagrees with them as an Enemy (apart from Islamics, of course, for whom they forgive all). There is more freedom of expression to be found in the Daily Wail and the Daily Repress (or even the Guardian) than there is to be found in Pink News. I’ve never come across anything quite like it before.

  10. Daz says:

    “The rapist, the slut, and the cuckold!!!”

    Uhuh. Because of course, if Mary was raped she must have been a nasty ol' slut, eh?

    “‘Multiple exclamation marks,’ he went on, shaking his head, ‘are a sure sign of a diseased mind.'”
    —Terry Pratchett, Eric

  11. Dawkstein says:

    In 1976 I worked in a research establishment in Cheshire. It was bloody boring so to pass the time I programmed their computer, which was even then an outmoded Elliot mainframe with tape streamers, big disc cassettes and ranks of flashing lights and clicking relays, to do a fairly complex algorythm which was to all intents and purposes the division of a really big number by a diminishingly small one in a divergent loop and conversion into random characters. The output, a constant stream of alphnumerics and symbols went on and on was continuously printed out on yards and yards and yards of large format printout paper. It was an entertaining diversion and I recon that the output made just about as much sense as all the biblical gobbledygook wafflings and pontifications ever produced.

  12. Broga says:

    ” the Gospel of Matthew 13:55-56 state that James, Joses (or Joseph), Judas, and Simon were the brothers of Jesus, the son of Mary. The same verses also mention unnamed sisters of Jesus.”

    Were any of the siblings older than Jesus? If so, that would end any claims to Jesus being born of a virgin. Whatever, Mary was not sexually inexperienced. For accuracy the reference to the “Virgin” Mary should be dropped.

  13. L.Long says:

    Correct Daz! By THEIR definition!!! She did not scream laud enough to attract attention, by THEIR definition she was a slut! Also they should also BY THEIR definition declare their little baby is a bastard!!!

  14. L.Long says:

    Oh Daz!!!! I Forgot to add !!!!!!! THAT I HAVE A VERY DISEASED MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After all I’m an Atheist!

  15. StephenJP says:

    Kittredge Cherry says: “People of the gay and lesbian community feel excluded from the church much of the time”. Indeed. But that is the church’s problem, not the LGBT community’s. Thankfully, now and again people from all communities come to understand that the church stands in complete opposition to their personal and communal interests.

  16. barriejohn says:

    Is nothing sacred? They should stick to portraying actual, historical events, and not pure fiction!

    A primary school in Berkshire is this year focusing its nativity play on the period just after the birth of Jesus where paranoid dictator King Herod orders the killing of every male baby in Judea.

    The school insists it is a section of the Christmas story that is often hastily brushed aside.

    The play will reportedly feature pupils playing the infants and a selection of teachers playing the soldiers mercilessly slaughtering them in a thirty-minute set piece, using genuine swords and gallons of fake blood to realistically depict the massacre.

    Due to the graphic violence depicted in the play, the showing will be strictly for adults only, a decision which has raised eyebrows amongst parents and school governors.

    http://newsthump.com/2016/12/02/school-nativity-to-depict-lesser-known-mass-infanticide-part-of-christmas-story/

  17. John says:

    If you look at the newsthump masthead, it says ‘UK Spoof News and Satire.’
    This is NOT a serious news story.
    Mind you, even if the alleged original story were true [which I don’t think it is], it has been suggested the number of newly born infants would have only been one or two – at most. Certainly not tens, scores, hundreds or thousands.

  18. John says:

    It might be interesting for someone with an accounting background to look at her company’s records at https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06628490/filing-history.
    I am not a qualified accountant but the figures shown at Companies House suggest that Williams main company is bust and cannot last very much longer financially.
    Could someone else take a look at this and let us know?
    The Christian Concern Wikipedia entry provides some interesting information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Concern.
    In essence, these people are fascists and anti-democrats, who use “lawfare” to get the law changed because they know they have no legitimate democratic or political support.
    I suspect that while she may have had the ear of people in important places originally, she has – by now – worn out the welcome mat.

  19. barriejohn says:

    John: Yes – it is NewsThump. I didn’t think that anyone would take it seriously. Here’s another one which made me laugh, but some people aren’t going to like it, I know!

    http://newsthump.com/2016/12/23/childproof-lock-added-to-white-house-nuclear-launch-button/

  20. Stephen Mynett says:

    Enjoyed that BJ, for some reason it made me think of old TV and The President’s Brain is Missing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb71YBLCqYU

    I am sure Spitting Image could have great fun with Trump.

  21. andym says:

    AS good a thread as any to link to my favourite Xmas cartoon.

    http://www.memecenter.com/fun/61675/you-still-dont-believe-me-do-you

  22. Newspaniard says:

    From a practical point of view, Mary must have had a very difficult delivery. Newly born baby Jesus looks as big as a 6 year old.
    Just sayin’

  23. barriejohn says:

    John: Questions have been raised about the financing of Christian Concern and CLC before. There are suspicions that funds come from across the Atlantic, but Minnie Mouse denies this:

    Questions have been asked about from where the centre – and its sister organisation, Christian Concern For Our Nation – obtain funding. Accounts show both organisations have little in the way of income.

    Williams said all of the centre’s work was done on a pro bono basis by committed Christian lawyers and that what money it had came in small donations from more than 30,000 people who received its regular email updates. “We never ask clients for money,” she said. “Very often they fear losing their case and having to pay the costs of the other side. Part of our ministry is to ensure they are not burdened with that.”

    Close observers of the centre believe it is adopting the tactics of wealthy US evangelical groups, notably the powerful Alliance Defence Fund, which, through its Blackstone Legal Fellowship, trains an army of Christian lawyers to defend religious freedom “through strategy, training, funding and direct litigation”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/01/christianity-rights-colin-atkinson

  24. AgentCormac says:

    So Williams would rather promote an event which endorses sex outside of marriage? Hypocritical old bag.

  25. Paul says:

    I’m confused about this parent business.
    Wasn’t Jesus a bastard ?

  26. Paul says:

    Broga
    You are correct – the Greek word used for Mary in the babble is actually maiden. The word virgin is used elsewhere, but never in reference to her.

  27. Daz says:

    “the Greek word used for Mary in the babble is actually maiden”

    Not quite. The original Hebrew used maiden (almah), which was mistranslated into Greek as virgin (parthenos). The New Testament authors were working from the Greek version and wished to make Jesus’s birth compliant with Isaiah, which they thought specified virginity.

    Discern4 recently put up some useful videos on the topic. Part one is here.

  28. barriejohn says:

    Isaiah said that a young woman (not “virgin”) would bear a son of great significance – within the lifetime of King Ahab. Jesus was never referred to in the gospels as “Emmanuel” (apart from Matthew’s reference), and the Jews never use the name in relation to their Messiah. Christians get around all this by referring to “multiple fulfillment ” of prophetic statements; I’ve heard it many times. The first part of the following is interesting – the rest is waffle:

    http://christianapologeticsalliance.com/2012/11/27/a-virgin-shall-conceive-but-not-according-to-the-rabbis/

  29. Daz says:

    @barriejohn

    Ahaz 🙂

    Gawd, that essay is awful. “It can’t be true and here’s why, but I want it to be true, so here’s a metric ton of wishful thinking and brazen lies … See! It’s true!”