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Scots cleric claims gays invite bullying with their behaviour

Scots cleric claims gays invite bullying with their behaviour

Chief Executive of Humanist Society Scotland, Gordon MacRae, above, has reacted angrily to an attack on LGBT school pupils by a clergyman who holds a position on a Highland Council Education Committee.

According to this report, Alexander MacLean, a member of the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland, suggested young LGBT people are bullied because they are “overt” and attract attention.

His anti-gay tirade came during a report on the work by Highland Council to reduce bullying of LGBT pupils at school, presented to the Education, Care and Adult services (ECAS) committee last week.

MacRae said if religious views are to be aired in such committees the representatives should be accountable at the ballot box.

The attempts to put religious dogma ahead of the needs of bullied gay and trans children is further evidence, if any was needed, as to why it is time to remove religious reps from all local education committees.

Unelected religious representatives are able to exercise power without any responsibility.

There is nothing to stop church leaders standing for election and to ask voters to support or reject their attempts to put religious dogma ahead of evidence-based policy.

A council spokeswoman said the local authority is working to address bullying in Highland.

Mr MacLean is an independent member of the Education, Children and Adult Services Committee and holds one of the places required by legislation for faith representatives.

His comments were rejected by councillors and by the chairman of the committee, who welcomed the report, and the work being done by Highland schools to promote inclusive practice.

While we know that LGBT pupils can experience bullying, we are committed to address this, and there are many examples of excellent work in schools across the authority.

MacLean,  one of three religious representative on the committee who have full voting rights under UK legislation, is now facing calls for his removal over his “pernicious and offensive” comments.

MacLean also said books referring to same-sex couples should be removed from Highland schools. He asked:

Are these books really appropriate for young children? They are promoting LGBT practices. The percentage of LGBT people in UK population is two per cent therefore the number of LGBT children must be very small in our schools.

Many parents are concerned that their children are being exposed to the teaching of LGBT lifestyles which leave children confused and disturbed.

Some of these parents do not know what they can do about their concerns so as a representative of this committee I bring this matter before you.

He added:

LGBT lifestyles are now so overt that they attract attention and sadly one of the reactions against them can be bullying. We are certainly against bullying in our schools and elsewhere in our society, whether its against LGBT or any other group or class, but it appears the LGBT lobby is using the bullying of LGBT pupils to bring their agenda into our schools, promoting their lifestyle.

MacLean suggested that the words “homophobic” and “transphobic” should removed from a recommendation supporting the work to reduce bullying, so that it referred to all types of bullies, but this was rejected by councillors.

MacLean’s idiotic remarks sparked a plea from Lochaber councillor Bren Gormley to teach children to love and respect each other.

Phrases such as ‘promoting LGBT lifestyle’ I find pernicious, offensive and based on a misunderstanding of common human qualities we all share. To be comfortable with oneself it’s necessary to be comfortable with others and a key part of that is respect for others.

We need to support our young people to respect and love each other.

Nobody from the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland was available for comment.

Hat tip: BarrieJohn

19 responses to “Scots cleric claims gays invite bullying with their behaviour”

  1. Broga says:

    “Phrases such as ‘promoting LGBT lifestyle’ ”

    It is desirable, of course, to promote the toxic lifestyle of members of the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland. Why are the religious so obsessed with the sexual activities of other people? Why should this attract so much of their condemnation?

  2. L.Long says:

    “promoting the gay life style”, kissing the boy/girl next to them, asking a bully (unknowingly) for a date…..ALL are just fine and OK and are not worthy of ANY violence. PERIOD!!!!
    Now if the LBGT dude is beating you up to force you into the ‘life style’ NOW you have the right to protect yourself with violence. Till then you are a violent, bigoted ahole!!

  3. L.Long says:

    Hey Broga! You cold ask the same question of their bigoted psychotic gawd too!!!!

  4. Trevor Blake says:

    Perhaps Mr. MacLean would prefer that people are only harmed when they commit acts clearly identified in the Bible as worthy of harm…

    http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/murder-in-the-bible/

  5. Daz says:

    “The percentage of LGBT people in UK population is two per cent therefore the number of LGBT children must be very small in our schools.”

    Erm, no. I dunno what the statistics for the “T” part are, but in 2015, 1.7% of the population self-identified as LGB; but, 3.3% of 16–24 yr olds did so. And though it’s guessing on my part, I’d say the latter figure, taken from people who’ve grown up in a society more willing to accept them than their elder counterparts did, and thus be more willing to out themselves, is more likely closer to a true figure—though it should still be treated as a minimum rather than an accurate percentage.
    [Source for percentages]

    “Many parents are concerned that their children are being exposed to the teaching of LGBT lifestyles which leave children confused and disturbed.”

    If anyone’s “confused” about these matters, it’s adults. Children find it much easier to accept new facts when they’re offered them.

  6. 1859 says:

    ‘To be comfortable with oneself it’s necessary to be comfortable with others and a key part of that is respect for others.’ Well said Mr Gormely! I hope MacLean takes your words to heart.

  7. barriejohn says:

    Time for another airing of my all-time favourite YouTube video:

    https://youtu.be/6SvCvvEbWR8

    “So that means you love each other.” That little boy was confused for all of thirty seconds – but ping-pong was a far more important matter!

  8. barriejohn says:

    Birthday wishes due to Barry Duke today; …..years young and still going (fairly) strong. We’re having a whip-round for a left-hand-drive invalid scooter, so all contributions gratefully received!

    http://www.modern-senior.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/mobility-scooters1.jpg

  9. Brian Jordan says:

    but it appears the LGBT lobby is using the bullying of LGBT pupils to bring their agenda into our schools, promoting their lifestyle.
    “It appears that the religious lobby is using antiquated regulations to bring their preachers into our education committees, promoting their superstitions.”
    Fixed it for him.

  10. AgentCormac says:

    Many parents are concerned that their children are being exposed to the teaching of religion which leaves children confused and disturbed.

    That’s that fixed.

  11. Matt says:

    “Nobody from the Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland was available for comment”.

    Yes, because god was not at home at the time, which is a true statement whenever a divine comment is sought.

  12. Playonwords says:

    By this argument anyone who appears different “asks” to be bullied; this would include redheads, lefthanders and the wee wee frees themselves. Does anyone in these minority faiths bother to use critical thinking?

    I know, stupid question

  13. Daz says:

    “Does anyone in these minority faiths bother to use critical thinking?”

    I’m not convinced that they use thinking of any kind.

    And the argument in question, we might note, is exactly the same argument as that which says that a woman in a short skirt is partially responsible should she be raped. Victim-blaming, pure and simple.

  14. Matthew Carr says:

    The LGBT lobby is continuing to “bully” by insisting that LGBT exist and education should reflect that.

    Non LGBT people are the majority and therefore define what is “normal behavior” and anyone not conforming invites bullying.

  15. 1859 says:

    @M.Carr: If a minority ‘invites’ (do you mean ‘willingly’?) bullying from the majority, it does not make bullying right or acceptable. Might is not right.

  16. John says:

    One key point to note from the article is the statutory requirement for clerics to be appointed to such bodies.
    They also have places guaranteed to them on SACREs (Standing Advisory Councils on Religious Education).
    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_Advisory_Council_on_Religious_Education.
    What this incident highlights is the need for such bodies to be scrapped, with religious and other beliefs taught comparatively and as part of the history syllabus.

  17. Matthew Carr says:

    By putting normal behavior in quotes I was saying that this position is absurd because what the LGBT community does should be considered normal behavior as well, it just isn’t accepted by everyone.

  18. Laura Roberts says:

    @MatthewCarr: that wasn’t especially clear in your first post, but I get you. Can’t say my posts are always crystal either.

    In any case, “they invite bullying” joins other feeble excuses such as “she was asking for it” and “we were just following orders” as about the most vile known to mankind.

  19. barriejohn says:

    And “Look what you made me do to you”!