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London school kids get to meet an ‘extremist’ Muslim preacher

London school kids get to meet an ‘extremist’ Muslim preacher

Outrage has been expressed over visits by state school students, aged eight and nine, to Lewisham Islamic Centre, where they got to meet chief imam Shakeel Begg, above.

The visits, according to the The Telegraph, took place just months after a High Court judge branded the imam an “extremist” who had:

Promoted and encouraged religious violence.

Begg was described in a High Court judgment at the end of October as a “Jekyll and Hyde character”. Mr Justice Haddon-Cave also warned that Begg’s role as imam put him in a position to:

Plant the seed of Islamic extremism in a young mind.

The Year 4 children from Kilmorie Primary School visited Lewisham Islamic Centre in south east London over the course of two days on March 21 and 22. Begg hosted a discussion with the pupils.

On the Islamic centre’s website, Begg praised the school children for their “keenness” to test their knowledge of Islam.

Two days later, the imam addressed potential foster carers at a meeting held in conjunction with Lewisham Council.

Tom Wilson, a research fellow at the Henry Jackson Society who has written a research paper on Begg, entitled “Extremism in the Community: The Case of Shakeel Begg”, condemned schools for taking children to visit the imam.

It is shocking and frankly unacceptable that any school should be arranging visits with anyone associated with extremism. If this is happening then there is a duty of care that is being woefully neglected.

Schools are under a statutory duty that quite explicitly prohibits exposing pupils to extremists.

He added:

The Department for Education has provided detailed guidance for schools on how to show due diligence when researching external speakers and guarding against the threat from extremists.

One of the concerns about the government’s counter-extremism Prevent strategy is that many of those in our public services who are responsible for upholding it still appear to be ill informed about extremism and the dangers it poses.

Begg had sued the BBC for libel after Andrew Neil, the presenter of the Sunday Politics programme, had accused him of promoting extremism on air. Neil said the imam had praised the jihad as being a great deed.

During the libel trial, the BBC presented six speeches given by the imam, of which four – the court found – were promoting violence.

The imam had denied he was an extremist and produced “an impressive number of testimonials” demonstrating his inter-faith work and “commitment to the community”.

But Mr Justice Haddon-Cave ruled in favour of the BBC:

The Claimant is an extremist Islamic speaker who espouses extremist Islamic positions. The Claimant had recently promoted and encouraged religious violence by telling Muslims that violence in support of Islam would constitute a man’s greatest deed.

Lewisham council declined to answer a series of questions posed by The Telegraph but insisted it supported the Government’s prevent strategy, adding:

We work hard to promote British values in Lewisham.

Sally Kelly, Kilmorie school’s chairman of governors, said:

Visits like this one to a religious establishment are an important part of our rich curriculum promoting the British values of tolerance of people of different faiths and beliefs and the learning is part of the National Curriculum.

This short two hour visit was undertaken by a number of classes over the course of a few days. Safeguarding is a very high priority for us and we ensure that our policies and procedures are relevant, effective and that staff have the correct training.

This visit like any other followed all the correct procedures. Children are supervised at all times by trained staff to ensure a safe and enjoyable visit for all.

15 responses to “London school kids get to meet an ‘extremist’ Muslim preacher”

  1. Johan says:

    Deport the shit.
    Sack the head teachers of the schools and teachers associated with the visits and prevent then teaching permanently.
    Close Lewisham is lamic centre and seize all its funds and assets.
    Root out the Lewisham jihadis and deport those that can be and then do everything legal to stop the activities of those we are lumbered with.
    Report all the parents of the visiting kids so social services for review. This dangerous islamofacist agenda needs to be stamped on very hard …very hard indeed regardless of all the shrieking hollering’s of racism and islamophobia. Nazis were not allowed to act in this way during WWII in the UK. Nor should the devotees of the muslim death cult, who wish to impose sharia and islam on those of us who revile it and its perpetrators.

  2. Newspaniard says:

    What @Johan said.

  3. Joanna says:

    well am I right in thinking that Lord Barnard Powell of the Boy Scouts Movement took boys camping to Germany before WWI and they met up with the Hitler Youth Movement? Johan you are right to want the children not to listen to this retarded creature. Sack the Head Teacher and all the other shits. Hope the children are alright.

  4. L.Long says:

    Well Johan & all, and the difference between the imam and any other ahole xtian preacher is ??????
    No! The real reason the teacher should be sacked is because She/he should have turned the event into a teaching event showing the kids how hate-bigotry-& violence is spread and what to be watchful of when listening to teachers/parents/preachers/or any one else telling you what to do!!!

  5. Oh Really! says:

    llong ???

  6. StephenJP says:

    I have had a look at the school’s website. It is a community school (ie not a “faith” school), has a well-balanced team of staff and governors, and an excellent educational record.

    I agree that it was a mistake to expose the pupils to this unpleasant man. I hope and expect that the Headteacher and other staff will do a bit more research before their next visit to a religious establishment. Meanwhile, some of the comments above are absurdly OTT.

  7. Paul says:

    Well this is plain bulls**t……..
    “Schools are under a statutory duty that quite explicitly prohibits exposing pupils to extremists”
    Aren’t many Catholic schools run by paedophiles.

  8. Trevor Blake says:

    There is an obscure, nearly-entirely-unknown Muslim text that might have some hand in this promotion of violence. I know it’s not fair to try to pin the behavior of a few on a book that no one has ever heard of, no one has seen, it’s hard to get, and most assuredly there’s hardly a Muslim on the planet who’s ever owned a copy. It’s called “The Quran” and it contains passages like…

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/cruelty/long.html

  9. Walt says:

    Fuck off Stephen jp. Get real.

  10. Brian Jordan says:

    @StephenJP
    The real mistake, made by schools country-wide, is to think that explaining about religions requires that children be directly exposed to their manifestations – either preaching or preachers or their premises that are intended to awe.
    It could be done perfectly well by texts and drawings, which could be vetted to ensure objectivity.

  11. gedediah says:

    As Hitchens said, exposing children to multiple religions is an effective way of creating atheists. Kids aren’t stupid. I’m all for it.

  12. Cali Ron says:

    Walt: Really? How old are you? If you have a problem with his post you should note what it is like an adult. Your response was immature and inappropriate. I expect you’ll treat me the same.

  13. Oh Really! says:

    Caption Competition …

  14. StephenJP says:

    @Brian Jordan: that is one approach; but inviting members of different religions to explain to pupils what they believe and why, as long as their remarks can be moderated, can be effective. Kids are not complete fools, and most possess well-tuned bullshit-detectors.
    @Walt:your rude and vulgar comment simply exposes your invincible ignorance.

  15. Nelmonster says:

    Lord Baden Powell. Sorry to be a pedant Joanna.