Heaven populated by gays says Catholic priest Fr James Martin

Heaven populated by gays says Catholic priest Fr James Martin

The controversial Catholic priest –  appointed by Pope Francis last month to the Vatican’s communications office – has ruffled feathers by claiming that faithful Catholics may be in for a ‘surprise’ when they ‘get to heaven to be greeted by LGBT men and women’.

Reporting that Martin, editor-at-large of the Jesuit-run America magazine, made the comment on his Facebook page last week after posting a link to a pro-gay event, religious website LifeSite went into complete meltdown, and reached for the biggest gun it could find to shoot Martin down for saying that some saints were probably gay.

Martin was responding one Walter Maczynski who said “any canonized Saints would not be impressed”.

From a stack of weaponry, LifeSite chose an actual saint to attack Martin: St Peter Damian, who fell off his perch in 1072. Damian called homosexuality a “vice”. In his 11th century Book of Gomorrah (Liber Gomorrhianus) – “the most extensive condemnation by any Church Father of clerical pederasty and homosexual practices” – he wrote that homosexuality:

Opens up hell and closes the door of paradise. This vice [of same-sex activity] is the death of bodies, the destruction of souls, pollutes the flesh, extinguishes the light of the intellect, expels the Holy Spirit from the temple of the human heart, introduces the diabolical inciter of lust, throws into confusion, and removes the truth completely from the deceived mind.

It prepares snares for the one who walks, and for him who falls into the pit, it obstructs the escape. It opens up hell and closes the door of paradise.

LifeSite, which conveniently omitted to mention that Damian’s blistering attack was aimed primarily at the “special problems” the Church had in relation to “the seduction of youths by clerical pederasts”, then embarked on a rant of its own:

The Catholic Church teaches that homosexual acts are ‘intrinsically disordered’ since they are ‘contrary to the natural law’ and they ‘close the sexual act to the gift of life’.

But, not only this: The Church also teaches that same-sex attraction is itself ‘objectively disordered’ since God created sexual attraction to be between a male and female for the sake of procreation.

In this way, there is no such reality as a ‘homosexual person’, but only a person who struggles with the ‘disorder’ of being attracted to the same sex. The Church teaches that everybody, including those with a disordered sexuality – often expressing itself in lust, masturbation, fornication, pornography, homosexuality – are called to chastity. That is, to the moral virtue of a rightly ordered sexuality integrated within the person.

The Christian faith holds that the homosexual act, along with murdering the innocent, depriving a laborer of his wages, and oppressing the poor, is one of the four sins that cries to heaven for justice. Those who commit grave sin can only enter heaven if they let go of their sinful ways, asking God for forgiveness and mercy. Jesus teaches that it is the ‘pure of heart’ who will see God.

It concluded:

Martin recently published a book in which he outlines ways he thinks the Catholic Church should be building bridges of acceptance towards practicing homosexuals.

Last year he accepted an award from the pro-homosexual New Ways Ministry. During his acceptance speech, he said that the Church should embrace homosexuality’s ‘special gifts’ and ‘lay to rest’ language about the ‘objectively disordered’ nature of homosexual inclinations and acts.

He has used his Twitter platform to support transgendered issues, such as boys using the girls’ bathroom and vice versa and has released videos on YouTube that advocate for the normalization of homosexuality in the Catholic Church.

49 responses to “Heaven populated by gays says Catholic priest Fr James Martin”

  1. remigius says:

    He’s not wrong…

    Whenever people like Bob Hutton talk about Heaven I imagine them eternally mincing to Bronski Beat, whilst sipping Cosmopolitans in a pair of spandex hot-pants.

  2. barriejohn says:

    Remigius: “Heaven is a place on earth.”

    I was reading the following extremely enlightening article only this morning:

    “It isn’t Christians who put homosexuality in the news,” he said, as he wrote yet another article informing the world that homosexuality is the one sin that will lead, Gomorrah style, to the complete breakdown of society.

    Robert A. J. Gagnon, associate professor of New Testament at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary, suggested that people who claim homosexuality is no worse than other sins are aiming to soften the gravity of the sin.

    “There is a mountain of evidence from Scripture (in addition to reason and experience) that shows (1) sins do differ in significance to God and (2) God regards homosexual practice as a particularly severe sexual sin,” Gagnon argued in a 2015 article on his website.

    They all seem to know what “God” thinks, don’t they?

  3. Newspaniard says:

    Not that I often think about the subject but, If there was such a place as heaven I don’t think that it would be as priests and their like say. At funeral services I have heard them say “Jimmy Jones is now in heaven where his parents are waiting…”. If there were such a place, anyone who went there would want to be in their late teens or early 20’s, NOT in the ruined old body which they left behind. And why would they want to associate with their scrounging, ungrateful, offspring who couldn’t wait for them to die? No, if heaven were a real place it would be filled with young, sane, fit people.

  4. Newspaniard says:

    Or, conversely, would anyone who had to take care of their parent(s) for the whole of their lives and were only “free”, after they were too old to enjoy it; they wouldn’t want to go to a heaven where the same burden awaited them; they would want their youth and health back too.
    No… the priests have got it all wrong, what they describe is actually hell to most people.

  5. 1859 says:

    Ach! Newspaniard! Don’t you know ?- Heaven is lying on a cushion of clouds and being stroked by sexy angels and fed pealed grapes, listening to your favourite music every day for the whole of eternity and beyond and beyond that without ever ending, on and on and on and on and on…..what bliss!

  6. Vanity Unfair says:

    …God created sexual attraction to be between a male and female for the sake of procreation.
    So, what went wrong? Was it bad design (by a perfect creator) or the unintended consequences (of an immaculate plan)?

    The Christian faith holds that the homosexual act, along with murdering the innocent, depriving a laborer of his wages, and oppressing the poor, [are] the four sins that [cry] to heaven for justice.
    That’s a pretty good definition of most Christian cults even if there are individual members who try to to cloud the issue by being nice people. Incidentally, if St. Peter Damian exposed the duplicity, why is there still a problem after 950 years?

  7. Seff says:

    Yes, Fr James Martin could also say that Heaven is populated by demons. You can say New York city is located in Malta. However, The rejection of homosexual behavior that is found in the Old Testament is well known. In Genesis 19, two angels in disguise visit the city of Sodom and are offered hospitality and shelter by Lot. During the night, the men of Sodom demand that Lot hand over his guests for homosexual intercourse. Lot refuses, and the angels blind the men of Sodom. Lot and his household escape, and the town is destroyed by fire “because the outcry against its people has become great before the Lord” (Gen. 19:13).

    Throughout history, Jewish and Christian scholars have recognized that one of the chief sins involved in God’s destruction of Sodom was its people’s homosexual behavior. But today, certain homosexual activists promote the idea that the sin of Sodom was merely a lack of hospitality. Although inhospitality is a sin, it is clearly the homosexual behavior of the Sodomites that is singled out for special criticism in the account of their city’s destruction. We must look to Scripture’s own interpretation of the sin of Sodom.

  8. remigius says:

    Seff. You really need to read your Bible. The chaps of Sodom had been into bumsex for a very long time. Yahweh, being both omniscient and omnipotent, knew about it and could have put a stop to it at any time. The fact he didn’t suggests he was OK with it. And probably liked to watch.

    And the ‘Sin of Sodom’ wasn’t inhospitality, as you claim – Lot himself offered his own daughters to be raped, and you cannot get more hospitable than that. Sodom’s sin was actually arrogance, greed and the neglect of the poor.

    And yet he still he didn’t destroy the city. Maybe he was OK with that too.

    The thing that incurred his wrath was the attempted buggery of a couple of angles. And it wasn’t the buggery bit that finally flipped him – rather it was the realisation of the ridicule that would ensure when they realised why they couldn’t. (cont…)

  9. remigius says:

    There has been much theological discussion as to whether angels fart. See deep philosophical debate following this question…

    No, angels do not fart. Because angels do not eat. Therefore angels do not need arseholes!

    You cannot bugger an angel if an angel doesn’t have an arsehole. God realised this, and envisaged the confusion and mirth that would ensue.He foresaw the mockery of his divine messengers.

    The one thing that Yahweh cannot tolerate is mockery of his divine messengers. He had some kids torn asunder by bears after they mocked a prophet for being a baldy. Jokes about angels arseholes would have been too much to handle. That is why he destroyed Sodom!

  10. David Anderson says:

    Seff: No such thing as sin. It’s made up bullshit by religious pricks who want to control their sheeple.

    As for massive purification of the world, it will be achieved by famine and war because of OVERPOPULATION.

  11. barriejohn says:

    One single comment from someone like Seff can do more to advance the cause of rationalism than a million from someone like myself, however sincere we might be!

  12. Seff says:

    David Anderson & barriejohn@ Today is 100 anniversary of Fatima Revelations. Beware eggheads in 1917 Mother of God in Fatima uttered the following words ” But if people do not stop offending God, another and worse one (a war) will begin in the reign of Pius XI…”. The portent of close hecatomb was well seen in most parts of Central Europe at night on 25/26 January of 1938.My grand-mother observed that phenomenon. By all means wars are not caused by merciful God but by myriads of devils unleashed due to formidable human sins.A chastisement worse than the Flood is about to come upon this poor and perverted humanity. Fire will descend from Heaven. 1/3 of humanity will perish. Hoever before that each man will see himself in the blazing fire of the divine truth. It will be like the judgment but in a smaller scale… what will occur will be something so grand that it will surpass every event that has happened since the beginning of the world. It will be like a small judgment and each individual will see their own life and everything that they have done, in the same light of God.

  13. remigius says:

    Seff. Are you referring to that Fatima prophesy by the Virgin Mary, as relayed by those little rascals who’ve just been sainted?

    That one where she said WWII would begin during the papacy of Pius XI – that was correct apart from the bit about WWII beginning during the papacy of Pius XI. But I’ll concede that if he hadn’t had died before WWII began it would have been spot on.

    Still, it was a lot more accurate than any of the ones in the Bible.

  14. Seff says:

    remigius@ By all means WWII.Now another punishment is about to take place. What “Punishments” will afflict those who abandoned God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
    1. a war will break out in eastern Asia and in Europe. The war in Asia will be declared on the Russian Federation by China. Nuclear weapons will be used in this war. Having defeated the Russian Federation, China will declare war on the Arab countries of the Persian Gulf and countries by the Caspian Sea over oil-rich seams currently belonging to these countries. China will declare war also on Southern Europe to murder the white people living there and drop nuclear missiles on the whole world.
    2. Germany will declare war on Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Russia – to take back the former Königsberg, on Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Denmark, and Germany will want to annex Austria to the “Great Germany”. This is what the NPD party wants to do in order to fulfill Hitler’s idea and its aspirations.
    For those who don’t want to believe that the NPD party will come to power – it is written down in the Bible-Apocalypse in chapter 13, verses 11-15. It says in the Bible-Apocalypse that during the war the United States of North America will help Germany till the fulfillment of Hitler’s idea and the forming of the “Great Germany”. There will be signed the “Atlantic Treaty” on the mutual help between Germany and the United States. In the next part of the Third Secret of Fátima it is stated that Germany will engage in war the U.S. as an Atlantic ally. Support provided by America for Germany will focus on Asia, which is where the U.S. armed forces will land.
    3. Depth earthquakes which will cause the emergence of the “New Land” from the sea depths of about 4300 meters. Water above this bottom will cause FLOOD in the Northern Hemisphere, flooding the low-lying land areas, connecting to sea or ocean. The flood water will flow into seas and oceans, thus raising their water level.
    4. Depth earthquakes under the bed of the Mediterranean Sea will cause the following volcanoes to erupt: Mount Etna and Mount Vesuvius. Mount Etna will flood the Sicily island with lava and cover it with volcanic ash. A huge explosion of Mount Vesuvius will destroy areas surrounding it, Rome, the Vatican City and sea islands, whereas some other areas will fall in – Marseille city will fall in, there will start orogeny in the French Alps, in the territory of Switzerland and Italy, and terrible ocean waves called “tsunami” will hit shore areas and islands, bringing about huge destruction.

  15. remigius says:

    What is even more remarkable about the prophecy is that although they claim they received it in 1917 they didn’t reveal what it was until 1941 – after it was proved wrong.

    Yet Catholics hail it as a miracle. It’s a miracle anyone takes it seriously!

  16. Seff says:

    The world will be surprised with and shocked at the quick offensive of China against Russia. The intensity and atrocities of the fights will be horrible. The Chinese will imitate the actions taken by the Japanese during world war II: surprise, speed and terror.
    China’s victories will frighten the United States. China will drop nuclear bombs on armaments plants and nuclear weapons testing plants in Russia. They will trigger huge destruction, shocks and disturbances in nature, which will then backfire on the Chinese themselves. The Chinese army will die from nuclear weapons dropped by it on the whole world, despite gaining victories in the beginning. Its attack will come from many places so that Russia will be forced to fight all along the border. At the same time, strong landing forces will penetrate deep into the country. The American will not want to get directly involved in the war, but seeing the actions of the Chinese, they are bound to wish victory for Russia. The German will draw the U.S. into the war as an Atlantic ally. Support for Germany provided by America will focus on Asia, which is where American and British soldiers will land (Iraq, Turkey, Iran and the Balkans) in defense against the Chinese.
    What the German do will prove a suicidal step. The will count on the seizure of Poland. Driven by hatred, they will not realize that the sympathy of the west and the rest of the world will be on the Russia’s side.
    The Chinese army will devastate and raze to the ground all cities, towns and villages inhabited by white people, and spare those coming from Asian republics that will partly rise against Russia and join them.
    It will be called in Chinese a crusade against the hegemony of the white race. They will announce its end, and describe themselves as the long arm of justice.
    The attack will be launched by surprising Germany. Russia will launch an offensive against Europe. Poland, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, being aware that the German victory is tantamount to them being mass murdered, will create a common defense system against the German.
    The German will also fight with each other, and Russia will take ferocious revenge on this country for a stab in the back, for defeats in the west and for the specter of defeat. Not until Russia reaches the Atlantic Ocean will other nations under direct threat move against them as well. The Russian will be forced to move back to Ukraine, leaving behind burnt land and ashes of cities and towns. Indifference to harm and getting rich at the expense of others will call for revenge. An example will be the fate of Sweden and Switzerland. Russia that used to betray and deceitfully violate treaties and agreements in the past, will experience the same from others.
    Ukraine and Lithuania will also suffer defeat, with Latvia and Estonia to a smaller degree. Belarus, Poland and Hungary will be relatively peaceful, and the only nation to come out unharmed will be Poland thanks to the God’s Mercy protecting it.
    The Czech Republic and Slovakia will be damaged only during the withdrawal of the Russian army, which will move back towards Ukraine and the Balkans. From the south, from Iraq, the American will hit, and an uprising will break out in the Caucasus, reaching as far as Turkey. From Turkey, the English will attack.
    Atmospheric phenomena to appear in the sky as early as with the onset of war will be a final warning uttered by Mary, Queen of the World, in many revelations. They will be a confirmation of the approaching period of wars and natural disasters. They will also be a sign that it proved impossible to make people repent their sins, show remorse and willingness to improve their lives in order to prevent evil hanging over the world, so far stopped by the hand of God. God’s justice cannot tolerate the triumph of villainy and contempt for His sacred laws. Mutual hatred will come back to mankind with all its terror and vileness.
    Natural disasters will put a stop to wars and save the rest of humankind from complete destruction, thus proving to be rescue offered through God’s mercy.

  17. barriejohn says:

    Remigius (I’m not reading any more of Seff’s nonsense): All prophecies say that terrible things are going to happen, and, of course, if you wait long enough some terrible things do happen. Then the devout start shouting that those terrible things are the terrible things that were referred to in the prophecy – because they HAVE to be, don’t they? No one has produced a scrap of evidence that anyone has ever been able to see into the future, but desperate people clutch at straws because they find the world a threatening and scary place.

  18. remigius says:

    barriejohn. I have just read Seffbot’s latest screeds.

    For a prophecy published in 1941 it is remarkably accurate about events prior to 1941 (Pope Pius XI’s untimely demise notwithstanding!). It is also rather inaccurate about events after 1941. How on earth do you explain that?

  19. David Anderson says:

    Seff = Gilipollas.

  20. Seff says:

    No one has produced a scrap of evidence that anyone has ever been able to see into the future”Yes, barriejohn@ No one produced such nonsence as you did a few moments ago. What about stigmatist and Saint PADRE PIO?

  21. remigius says:

    Seff. Do you mean the Padre Pio whom even the Vatican admitted was a fraud?

    I’ve got a article about him too…

    ‘The founder of Rome’s Catholic university hospital concluded Padre Pio was “an ignorant and self-mutilating psychopath who exploited people’s credulity”. The Vatican, deeply suspicious, banned him from saying Mass in public.’

    Got any more ‘proof’ to show us?

  22. barriejohn says:

    Remigius: It’s the same with all of them, including the much-vaunted Nostradamus. When you know what the events are you can fit their prophecies to them with uncanny accuracy, but as to predicting any FUTURE events they fall flat on their face. As I have said before, I have Pyramidology books written some years ago, and it’s amazing how accurately the Great Pyramid’s structure and measurements foretell events leading up to the outbreak of World War !, but how abysmally wrong they are regarding subsequent world history – especially (as with the JWs) regarding the “Second Coming of Christ”.

  23. Seff says:

    remigius@ You have outdated information.Did you get it from Karl Marx and Lenin sources or you were born yesterday? Even a lefist Guardian will tell you these facts. Beatification of Padre Pio took place in 1999 while canoniozation in 2002 by Pope John Paul II.

  24. Seff says:

    Where do you all live? In a moon? Another proof Servant of God Martha Robin, french mystic had not eaten anything but the Holy Comunion for 50 years. Had a gift of prophecy too. Italian mystic and stigmatist Natuzza Evolo. The list is long and consists over 600 Catholic nuns, priests, mothers, children.

  25. remigius says:

    No Seff, I didn’t get it from Karl Marx. Or Lenin sources. I got it from the New Zealand Herald. There’s a clue on the website I linked to.

    And yes, I know he was made a saint in 2002. There’s a clue in the article I linked to – it’s about him being made a saint in 2002.

    Just because he was made a saint doesn’t mean he wasn’t a fraud. In fact being made a saint pretty much guarantees he was one!

  26. Seff says:

    For all of you each and every Saint is a fraud. Watch and switch off your prejudice and open heart:

  27. remigius says:

    Seff. You are not going to convince anyone by merely reeling off a list of nutters. Just give us some evidence.

  28. barriejohn says:

    I wonder whether Seff & Co can explain why any compassionate god would even think of allowing this sort of thing:

    I don’t have a lot of time for modern sport, but those photos are extremely moving. I am firmly in the Stephen Fry camp, myself; your god’s a bastard!

  29. remigius says:

    barriejohn. I watched the AFC Bournemouth v Burnley match this afternoon and something similar happened. At exactly 44 minutes into the game all the Bournemouth fans started clapping and cheering for no apparent reason. It went on for about a minute.

    It turns out that a supporter had recently died, tragically young, and he used to go to matches in a number 44 shirt. The fans did it as a tribute. It was rather moving.

  30. barriejohn says:

    Sometimes some little thing restores your faith in humanity a bit.

  31. Paul says:

    You are quite silly. Most of what you wrote is utterly childish.
    I can’t be bothered to read what you say because it’s so infantile.
    However read this and I’ve given the answer.
    Why did gawd go to the illiterate Middle East three times and inspire many illiterate and uneducated single men (yes men only) but get nothing right three times but get so much wrong – the earth is flat women have a rib less etc etc. Use herbs string running water a terracotta pot doves, kill a few and use their blood, flick it on a sufferer to cure leprosy. (Simply hilarious). Why didn’t gawd go and appear before many or several people at once in China or India where there were educated and literate people with writing skills a civil service, decent record keeping, schools and universities.
    No need to answer the answer is becasue it’s all false. You are deluded and love being in a death cult and living a horrid, cruel lie.

  32. Cali Ron says:

    Seff: You have fallen very deep into the deluded Christian rabbit hole and I fear the self delusion is so strong that actual facts can’t penetrate the wall of religious indoctrination. In short, you are lost to the world of people who think for themselves.

  33. Seff says:

    remigius@ and the rest of EGGDEADS: Here is some evidence:

  34. remigius says:

    Seff. Nope – that is a claim.

    You have linked to a site that claims someone has stigmata. Where is the evidence to support that claim?

  35. Seff says:

    Stop about claiming go there then you are going to have evidence. This is a living person!!! Are you coward, or what?

  36. remigius says:

    Seff, to prove I am not a coward I went to that Apostle’s Dildo site you just linked to.

    No evidence there either.

  37. Seff says:

    remigius@ I bet you still are. Fly to Rome, then hop on a bus to Umbria to meet Brother Elia. For 50 years hundreds of thousand visited personally stigmatist Martha Robin and after leaving her absolutely had had no doubt that God exists. You are brave and cheeky atheist sitting comfy in your armchair in Leeds. Stick your neck out. When you come back tell us what you have seen, and do you still believe in non-existence of the Supernatural. B

  38. remigius says:

    Seff. I’m not in Leeds – I’m in London. And it’s not an armchair, it’s a swivel chair – invented by Thomas Jefferson.

    And why would I fly to Rome, then get a bus to Umbria? Why not just fly to Umbria. Perugia airport, in Umbria, is named after St Francis of Assissi, one of your supposed stigmatics.

    You must be the wrongest person on the internet.

  39. Seff says:

    Cose there lives a stigmatist Fra Elia. Go and see him in person. Are you afraid of of the truth?
    His address:
    If you do not understand Italian I can help you in it.
    Nobody wants from you to see St Francis of Assissi but Fra Elia. Ha, Ha. Sorry, I do not have a gift of reading in souls. You are from London. I am from Warsaw, Poland. Have a good and quiet night.

  40. remigius says:

    ‘Are you afraid of of the truth?’

  41. Cali Ron says:

    Seff: You have fallen very deep into the deluded Christian rabbit hole and I fear the self delusion is so strong that actual facts can’t penetrate the wall of religious indoctrination. In short, you are lost to the world of people who think for themselves.

    Ex: 1/3 of humanity will disappear from abortion and homosexuality. Since abortion only destroys fetuses the whole 1/3 has to die from homosexuality, but there’s considerably less gays than that. So how’s homosexuality going to kill the heteros? I’ve encountered some extremely deluded evangelicals,but you are definitely the most crazy catholic I have encountered.

  42. Paul says:

    Why doesn’t your omnipotent gawd help amputees grow back their limbs. He can’t because he doesn’t exist if he exists he’s evil, lazy, cruel, ignorant or impotent.
    The unintellectual contortions you go through show how stupid you are.

  43. Seff says:

    Paul, remigius, Cali Ron and other DEADHEADS:
    Soon demons will drag you out of your cosy flats in London, Brighton and Leeds. Then none of you are going to laugh. Your Master is after…

  44. remigius says:

    <stretch> YAWN! </stretch>

  45. Seff says:

    remigius@ I must bite the bullet. I was wrong that my writing would sow the seeds of doubt in your minds.Devil guards firmly your hearts so that no light of the Divine gace would not come in. I did not listen to my guardian Angel who constantly repeaded not to write but pray for them. Yes, esp. for you Rem you are on the right path to the Lord Jesus Christ. I do believe one day you will open your gentle and kind mind to the LOVE. The CHAPLET of MERCY and the Unfailing Novena to the Virgin Mary Untier of Knots shall work.Do not want to make fuss. Bye then, promise.

  46. Paul says:

    You are boring and a pathetic imbecile.
    Im a deadhead. Hmmmm. I accept facts and challenge opinions rather than believe without question some factually incorrect nonsense cobbled together by middle eastern goat herders or claims made by charlatans and frauds.
    Oh and I live on planet earth unlike you.