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Former Muslims are told to shut up about their apostasy

Former Muslims are told to shut up about their apostasy

Mohammed Shafiq, above, Chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation, has described the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain as a ‘rampant Islamophobic organisation’ that has made its mission ‘to demonise Islam and the religious beliefs of Muslims.’

According to this report, in a televised debate on Russia Today, Shafiq commented on the presence CEMB members of at the London Pride rally on July 8 who carried signs bearing slogans like “We’re here. We’re kaffir. Get used to it”, “Celebrating apostasy,” and “Make LGBT rights universal”.

Maryam Namazie, centre, was one of the CEMB contingent that marched at London Pride.

They also displayed a list of Muslim states that punish homosexuality with the death penalty – including Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen and Pakistan.

Shafiq added:

Let’s just say, is there a council of ex-Christians? Is there a Council of ex-Jews? A Council of ex-Hindus? A Council of ex-Sikhs?

As a matter of fact, Mr Shafiq, there are organisations for people other than Muslims who have ditched religion. ExChristian.Net is one. Then there’s Recovering From Religion, and The New Humanist‘s Apostasy Project which features accounts of people of all faiths who now consider themselves non-believers. The Clergy Project has a pretty extensive list of organisations for apostates.

Shafiq said he was puzzled that people who opted to cut ties with Islam continued to meddle is Muslim affairs.

Let’s accept that they’ve got a right to leave Islam – then why are they constantly obsessed about Islam? They need to get a life. Move on. Enjoy their life and their ‘new freedom’ as they tell us.

The CEMC participation in Pride  was met with outrage from devout worshippers and British Muslim organisations – the East London Mosque in particular – but the group rejected criticism of their actions, saying:

We don’t need your permission to march for LGBT rights or the rights of apostates.

Despite being met with heavy criticism, the group’s spokesman Jimmy Bangash confirmed that members of the Council of ex-Muslims would continue to loudly protest the persecution of minorities within Islam and any other faith groups.

He added:

If religion is legislating against people, like gays, we will challenge that. And we will challenge that boldly. We will challenge that in meaningful ways, holding signs that provoke thought.

Human rights activist Peter Tatchell backed Mr Bangash’s sentiments, arguing that the group’s participation in the LGBT protest was justified.

Hatred against people is always wrong, whether they’d be Muslim or anyone else. But criticising bigoted intolerant ideas is entirely right and proper.

Tatchell said the group was merely :

Targeting Islamist homophobia, [not] Muslim people or even Islam, in general.

He added:

The Council of ex-Muslims has never criticised or condemned Muslim people. It has only condemned and criticised Islamist extremists, who advocate hatred and violence against LGBT people.

Shafiq’s questions and comments were batted down by Bangash, who describes himself as:

A British Pakistani, who grew up as a gay individual in a Muslim family.

He added:

Asking us to leave the religion and then be silent about our kin across the world, who are being victimised by the Muslim states, is an absurd request.

According to him, the group has no intentions of spreading Islamophobia in the British society:

This is my community. I have no interest in galvanising hate against Muslims because I’ll be subjected to that same hate.

Criticism of the CEMB’s participation in the Pride event forced organisers to say they would have to consider whether the group should be allowed to march in future parades. This infuriated George Broadhead of the LGBT charity, The Pink Triangle Trust, who said in a statement that:

This decision is appalling. The accusation from the East London Mosque that the CEMB was inciting hatred against Muslims at this year’s London Pride event is baseless nonsense. East London Mosque seems to have made a brazen attempt to deflect criticism of its bad record on LGBT rights.

It has a history of inviting ultra homophobic speakers to its meetings. Human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell has revealed that he has asked the mosque to meet LGBT Muslims 11 times since 2015 – and all his invitations had been rejected. 

Pride in London seems to be ignoring the widespread Islamic hostility to LGBT+ relationships and rights, notably the barbaric treatment of LGBT+ people in Islamic theocracies like Saudi Arabia in which Sharia Law dictates that they are publicly beheaded, stoned or flogged.

The Islamic penalty for apostasy (abandoning the religion) is death, and this of course applies to members of the CEMB, and a recent survey has indicated that more than half of British Muslims (52 percent) think homosexuality should be illegal and nearly half (47 percent) think it is inappropriate for gay people to teach in schools.

The PTT maintains that the CEMB has every right to draw attention to hostility from Islam and urges Pride in London organisers not to place religion beyond criticism.

This would be a highly regressive step and contrary to its presumed aim to counter homophobia from any source.

Hat tip: BarrieJohn

8 responses to “Former Muslims are told to shut up about their apostasy”

  1. Graham Martin-Royle says:

    “Let’s accept that they’ve got a right to leave Islam – then why are they constantly obsessed about Islam? They need to get a life. Move on. Enjoy their life and their ‘new freedom’ as they tell us.”

    Trouble is, according to your religion they don’t have a right to leave and their “new freedom”, again according to your religion, is to be stoned to death.

  2. Broga says:

    I have been an atheist for so long – and my family are all atheists – that I have lost any sense that it might be difficult. Browsing through the links about those who have ditched religion the difficulties are clear. However, what also often comes through is the exciting discovery of freedom.

    Atheism is exciting. It is a door to a world without limits. Without the constraints, the demands, the weird requirements of religion. It is good to know so many are discovering this.

  3. remigius says:

    ‘…who describes himself as:

    A British Pakistani, who grew up as a gay individual in a Muslim family.’

    And therein lies the rub.

    The mere existence of ex-muslims throws a rotatory torque driven nut adjusting implement into the energy transforming apparatus of those who seek to conflate ‘Islamophobia’ with racism.

    It is very difficult to argue “Oh, by anti-Islam you obviously mean anti-brown skinned people” against brown skinned people who are anti-Islam.

  4. L.Long says:

    Reminds me of the BS xtians…OK! you’re an atheist now shut up about it!! Same old BS from the same old BS place, its just their abject fear that they are so damned wrong that pushes them to kill apostates!!

  5. andym says:

    Two overlapping strands of Islamism in the UK on show. Piggy-backing onto any “progressive” cause assuming, correctly generally, the organisers will joinwith you in calling anyone who points out the absurdity of your presence “islamophobic”.

    There is also a touch of applying another absurdity-Orientalism, the notion that any criticism of Islam made by outsiders,especially Westerners, is automatically “colonialist,”even it seems when the critiques come from former insiders.Of course, in much of the world, criticism of the religion is a risky thing for even professed Muslims to do.

    Large chunks of so-called “liberals” swallow this crap, thinking they’re being so progressive siding with groups like East London Mosque.

  6. barriejohn says:

    Graham Martin-Royle:

    Trouble is, according to your religion they don’t have a right to leave…

    You’re so right; it’s the religiots who are “obsessed” about their faith. I’ve just burned another letter from some old “friends” of mine: “We remember with joy your times at …..Gospel Hall, and your usefulness to the Lord, and earnestly pray that it might be His will to restore you to your former happiness and usefulness to Him…blah,blah,blah.” They can’t let it rest, and they can’t accept that former believers can be happy outside of their faith. As Broga says, I now live in an exciting world of untold possibilities that fills me with awe. Why would people like myself want to put the blindfold and the shackles on again?

  7. Brien Doyle says:

    Only those who fear truth fear criticism!