Writing in the Freethinker (July 2008) Chris Barker argues that there is nothing racist about suggesting that atheists are more intelligent than believers.
IT was bound to happen. When Professor Richard Lynn claimed last month that people with higher IQs were less likely to believe in God many of those outraged by his assertion quickly tried to give his words a racist cast.
Professor Lynn, Emeritus Professor of Psychology at Ulster University, said many more members of the “intellectual elite” considered themselves atheists than the national average. A decline in religious observance over the last century was directly linked to a rise in average intelligence, he claimed.
Professor Lynn, who has provoked controversy in the past with research linking intelligence to race and sex, said university academics were less likely to believe in God than almost anyone else.
A survey of Royal Society fellows found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God – at a time when 68.5 percent of the general UK population described themselves as believers. A separate poll in the 90s found only seven percent of members of the American National Academy of Sciences believed in God.
Professor Lynn said most primary school children believed in God, but as they entered adolescence – and their intelligence increased – many started to have doubts.
He told The Times Higher Education magazine:
Why should fewer academics believe in God than the general population? I believe it is simply a matter of the IQ. Academics have higher IQs than the general population.
Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs tend not to believe in God.
He said religious belief had declined across 137 developed nations in the 20th century at the same time as people became more intelligent.
But Professor Gordon Lynch, director of the Centre for Religion and Contemporary Society at Birkbeck College, London, said it failed to take account of a complex range of social, economic and historical factors.
Linking religious belief and intelligence in this way could reflect a dangerous trend, developing a simplistic characterisation of religion as primitive, which – while we are trying to deal with very complex issues of religious and cultural pluralism – is perhaps not the most helpful response.
Dr Alistair McFadyen, senior lecturer in Christian theology at Leeds University, said the conclusion had
A slight tinge of Western cultural imperialism as well as an anti-religious sentiment.
Dr David Hardman, principal lecturer in learning development at London Metropolitan University, said:
It is very difficult to conduct true experiments that would explicate a causal relationship between IQ and religious belief.
Nonetheless, there is evidence from other domains that higher levels of intelligence are associated with a greater ability – or perhaps willingness – to question and overturn strongly felt institutions.
Writing in the Guardian (June 12), Giles Fraser asserted
Little wonder Dr David King, coordinator of the watchdog group, Human Genetics Alert, has said ‘We find Richard Lynn’s claims that some human beings are inherently superior to others repugnant’.
The same thought applies to women with blond hair, to people with darker skin, or to those of us with religious belief.
I don’t much care if people think I’m thick because I believe in God. But what’s really nasty here – and it’s a part of a growing phenomenon – is the way religion is being used as a subtle code for race.
Belief in God is alive and well in Africa and in the Middle East and declining in western Europe. Writing about the intelligence of religious believers has, for some, become a roundabout way of commenting on the intelligence of those with darker skins whilst seeking to avoid the charge of racism. Religion is being used with a nod and a wink, cover for some rather dodgy and dangerous politics.
The debate between believers and nonbelievers … is not made any more civil by the addition of this unpleasant inflection. Which I why believers and unbelievers … ought to unite against this way of thinking about our differences. The only question worth debating is whether the claims of religious belief are true or not – or morally objectionable or not. And Richard Lynn’s research does nothing to help us here.
I do not believe for a moment that it is racist to point out that, in those countries where religion dominates the lives of its citizens – countries whose populations are mainly of a darker hue – social, economic and technological progress is virtually at a standstill.
This paralysis exists not because these people are stupid, but because religion has served to crush innovation and entrench primitive thinking. There can be no doubting that these people have been stupefied by religion masquerading as knowledge.
The only cure for this boils down to proper education, free of all religious influence.That the decline of religious belief across developed nations in the 20th century led to more intelligent populations is indisputable, and I have no doubt that, if religion were to give way to better education in Africa and the Muslim states, the same trend would be observed there.
Now let me draw your attention to in interesting statistic. Twenty percent of the world’s population – that’s two out of ten people – are Muslims. That’s a Muslim population of 1.4 billion people. But out of this huge population, only six Muslims have ever won Nobel Prizes.
They were Anwar El-Sadat (1978, Peace); Abdus Salam (1979, Physics), who, as a result of internal squabbles within Islam in Pakistan never got the recognition he deserved in the Muslim world; Najib Mahfooz (1988, Literature) and Yasser Arafat (1994, Peace), whose prize led to the resignation of Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, a member of the Nobel Committee. He protesed that the prize was being awarded to a “terrorist.” The remaining winners were Ahmed Zewail (1999, Chemistry) and Shirin Ebadi (2003, Peace).
The world’s Jewish population, on the other hand, totals around 13-million. Yet out of this comparatively tiny number, 165 Nobel Prizes have so far been awarded to Jews.
To suggest that this is the result of Jews being more intelligent than Arabs would, of course, be racist. But to conclude that Jews put a far higher value on a mainly secular education, rather than on religious indoctrination, is certainly not. Nor is it racist to point out that Asians in the UK from a Hindu background perform far better in the academic sphere than those who are Muslims. Again, an example of education triumphing over religion.
It should also be pointed out that, when religion is allowed a foothold in areas in which it has no legitimate place, the results can be extremely damaging, as the United States is now starting to realise.
Chris Mooney’s concern about this trend prompted him to write The Republicans’ War on Science, in which he reveals that science and scientists have less influence with the federal Government than at any time since the Eisenhower administration.
The book points out that, in the White House and Congress today, findings are reported in a politicised manner; spun or distorted to fit the speaker’s agenda; or, when they’re too inconvenient, ignored entirely.
On a broad array of issues – stem-cell research, climate change, missile defence, abstinence education, product safety, environmental regulation, and many others – the Bush administration’s positions fly in the face of overwhelming scientific consensus. Federal science agencies, once fiercely independent under both Republican and Democratic presidents, are increasingly staffed by political appointees and fringe theorists who know industry lobbyists and evangelical activists far better than they know the science.
This is not unique to the Bush administration, but it is largely a Republican phenomenon, born of a conservative dislike of environmental, health, and safety regulation, and at the extremes, of evolution and legalized abortion.
In his book Mooney ties together the disparate strands of the attack on science into a compelling and frightening account of the US Government’s increasing unwillingness to distinguish between legitimate research and ideologically driven pseudoscience.
It is the religionists (assisted by muddleheaded, pc-constrained liberals and leftists) who are quickest to equate anti-religious sentiments with racism, because they know that, by playing the race card, they can effectively stifle a debate they would rather not have because it is one they can never win.
The Freethinker was founded in 1881 by GW Foote, an outspoken critic of religion. After the publication of 
October 7th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Obviously it is true
About one thousand years ago a Muslim philosopher (AL-GAZali) Said:
Man in this world suffers greatly, when he is a baby he could not express his hungriness or illness, then he has to suffer from going to school……. , when he growing up he will suffer from his need to earn living, And if he is clever; Satan will make him doubt in god.
November 11th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Nobel prize, you just lost all creditability, it is a sham, just like our president. Good day you pseudo-intellectual wind bag who is overly impressed with him or herself.
November 19th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
I read somewhere that the need for religious faith was linked to how well one’s conscious and subconscious minds communicated with each other. It is a logical conclusion though that a higher level of intelligence would question religious belief, whereas lower intelligence would blindly accept it.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Dr. Abdel Razik Nofal wrote one on the pioneering books on this subject in Arabic with the title “Allah and Modern Science.” The book was an original attempt to explain the following Ayah:
Surah 54, Ayah 49 “Verily, all things have we created in proportion and measure (perfection).”
The author concentrated on the proportions that relate to life on earth and how they represent a perfect balance provided by Allah. For example, the amount of oxygen in the air is perfect; if it is less, humans will not be able to breathe; if it is more, fires could start everywhere. Also the distance of the earth from the sun is perfect; if it is less, we will burn from the heat of the sun; if it is more, we will freeze. Potentially deadly radiation is kept at bay by the terrestrial atmosphere. Carbon dioxide and water vapor help warm the surface, but there is no runaway effect because both are perfectly recycled in various ways. On earth, complex life forms exist consisting of human, vegetable and animal life, from microscopic bacteria to huge elephants, and from minute viruses to giant trees. Although the earth possesses a dense core surrounded by an outer crust and an atmosphere, it has this unique difference – life. During the twentieth century, it has become clear that life exists on earth only because conditions are perfect. Moreover, the chemical and biochemical environments are in perfect balance, to ensure not only the existence of living things but also their continuity.
ALL PRAISE IS TO ALLAH THE MOST INTELLIGENT THE PERFECT AND CREATOR OF THE WORLDS.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:01 am
READ AND UNDERSTAND THE QURAN IF YOU ARE INDEED INTELLIGENT.
ALL PRAISE GOES TO ALLAH THE PERFECT.
November 29th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Aktar, were you born an idiot, or have you been spending all your life cultivating stupidity? Allah does NOT exist, the Koran is a collection of garbage, and Mohammed was a violent madman and a paedophile.
Why would anyone with a shred of intelligence wish to sympatheically engage with Islam, the most deranged religion ever invented?
Oh, and please do not repetitively post the SAME comments on this site!
January 1st, 2010 at 8:44 pm
This is a bit belated. I have only just come across this page. And akhter’s comment annoyed me.
When people make this claim about the earth being perfectly tuned for life they fail to take into account that it wasnt always this way.. The earth is not perfectly tuned to support life, rather life is perfectly tuned to survive on earth. This process of tweaking is evolution. I have taken many biology courses and read many books on the subject. One of the first things that one is taught in biology is that the cell is the simplest form that can exist seperately as life. cells form structures and systems. They then form organs which cooperate within an organism. This organism exists within a population and ultimately all populations are interdependant in the beautifull dance of life. Natural selection balances this global population. There was a time when there was very little oxygen in the air. Oxygen producing bacteria sorted this out. then cells evolved to take advantage of this energy source. (just like in the 12 trabes experiment). We then had oxygen producing bacteria along with oxygen consuming bacteria. whenever an energy source became present somewhere along the line it was taken advantage of. this simple balance is kept along the ages over history up untill the present day. The earth was not the perfect mix of chemicals into which we were plopped into.. “we” meaning all life have diversified and kept a balance with energy trading..
This is so complex and beautifull and so much more satisfying than ” It wos god wot dun it”
January 17th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
I was rather dubious about the headline claim at first. Then I had a long conversation with, first, a creationist and, secondly, a Jehovah’s Witness. These meetings, added to the foolish rantings of the likes of ‘akhter’ on this site, now convince me that there is certainly some credibility in the claim. These religious types are certainly ignorant, in the sense of actively choosing to avoid/ignore scientific evidence. They are also prone to getting aggressively defensive very rapidly, as if this will somehow make the mental pain of challenge go away.
January 26th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Akhter, you truly are a moron if you cannot see that the precarious balance which has allowed life to evolve on earth while indeed marvelous and unlikely, is also extremely rare for this very reason. Look at all of the planets in our solar system that don’t contain life genius. How many more are out there that could not allow life to evolve? I’ll tell you how many do not, and could never allow life to evolve… astrologically large numbers of planets. But when you roll the dice an astrologically large number of times, eventually, something extremely improbable can occur. That’s what we are… an extremely improbable result.
If life strikes such a perfect balance, because it is in the hands of Allah, or Jehovah, or whatever… then why are babies sometimes born with their pulmonary arteries, and aortic arteries reversed in position, guaranteeing the death of the baby without surgical intervention? Why are people born with defective genes for chloride ion pumps so that they develop cystic fibrosis? I’ll tell you why, because evolution is not part of some majestic heavenly plan, it’s a process of trial and error that has occurred over the course of about 4.5 billion years, and the random aspects of this process have never, and will never, go away.
It’s obvious from your comment Akhter that you know a little about science (very little). It’s too bad, you’ve never bothered to learn a lot, or more importantly to apply some rational, honest thought to your knowledge.
February 12th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
In praise of Allah..
He also created the perfectly shaped banana for our needs. It fits the palm of our hand and it’s curved towards our mouth.
Also: From its opening on one end – the engineers have got the idea of an opening for a coca-cola can.
If this is NOT a proof of an absolute dominating, imaginative power of Allah’s brain – than I don’t know what is?
February 26th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
truely you don’t “don’t know what is”
February 28th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Clearly these very intelligent atheists aren’t those hanging out on the (now closed) forums on the Richard Dawkins website: where the usual atheist seems to have been (a) dim-witted; (b) rude and abusive; (c) socially autistic — to the degree that the poor Professor Dawkins has had to run crying to The Times, upset at the rude names his co-atheologians have been calling him.
March 23rd, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Actually, the bible itself says that the Christian is not as intelligent as the unbeliever and will struggle to keep up with the unbeliever’s thinking and cunning. God doesn’t require cunning and intellect from mankind, just faith in His one and only son and certainly not in the false prophet prohesied about in scripture.
The world is broken because of the pursuit of self and all it’s trappings. Babies, trees, animals all have the sin in-built because of the first deviation from submissive nurturing love.
Even the scientists agree about original sin. Read this for Christ’s sake: Even you scientists don’t understand what your “EVIDENCE” points to!! What good is your knwoledge without wisdom. Wake up.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/scie.....enes-wrong
April 4th, 2010 at 1:32 am
i am inclined to say what Dr David Hardman said:
“It is very difficult to conduct true experiments that would explicate a causal relationship between IQ and religious belief. Nonetheless
there is evidence from other domains that higher levels of intelligence are associated with a greater ability to question and overturn strongly felt institutions.”
September 16th, 2010 at 6:06 am
To myself and others I am considered smart. I do not have a low IQ and I have a 4.0.. so your point is? Your point is that you have no point. When you pick and choose your facts you can get anyone to believe anything you want, so who is uneducated now? Even if these statistics of yours were correct, have you ever considered that there people just may not care about formal education. It is not that they are dumb, it is that their priority is their faith. Open YOUR eyes and look at the complexity of creation, how could it be that this all “just happened”? And Fraser, if you are going to take things from scripture you should really tell exactly where it is found, otherwise these uneducated people might believe you.
September 20th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
The assertion that ‘Atheists are more intelligent than religious people’ defies reason. The apostle Paul (love him or hate him) was a genius. Most atheists cannot reason beyond what is found in Bertrand Russell’s lecture ‘Why I am not a Christian’. One can detect that the argument has been lost when abuse is thrown at the opposition. 1:0 to me!
September 21st, 2010 at 1:48 am
Why did you delete my previous reply?It was made on Sept. 18, or 19, 2010. I thought it was very helpful. May-be a bit sarcastic, but being the lowest form of humor, sarcasm is still better than the ridicule of so-called religious people, by Atheists. I backed up everything with Scripture. And yes, I do have a bit of a teacher in me. I merely built on the comments of Fraser and Melina. What gives????
October 13th, 2010 at 1:55 am
Melina, This Professor Lynn is not stating that Atheists know more that believers do. He is saying that those with a high IQ are far more inclined to be atheists than the general public. IQ is not based upon how much a person knows or has learned, it is based on intelligence. Therefore, formal education would have little affect on one’s IQ.
I’ll pose this question for some food for thought to all of you believers out there:
Can God create a space in which he does not know what is happening?
-If he can, then he is NOT all knowing
-If he can’t, then he is NOT all powerful
October 16th, 2010 at 6:43 am
lol…this is a joke…atheists smarter? Atheists are dumbest form of life that exists, they can only mimic and copy from what Theists taught them.
Newton is much smarter than every atheist that ever existed in all of human history, yet Newton was much more religious than all the scientists during his time. Newton was much smarter than Einstein as physicists and mathematicians know, but the general public does not know that.
One of the smartest people on Earth, Christopher Langan is a Theist.
If atheists have a higher average IQ that does not bother me, because the very very very smartest people are still ALL Theists and atheists can’t compete.
October 22nd, 2010 at 1:57 am
WhatAJoke: yep, ity is you who are funny, beyond any doubt. As a physicist myself, your statement that “Newton was much smarter than Einstein” is silly. Newton was a genius, of course, yet he spent most of his life in silly numerological pursuits. Intelligence is not the only thing in play here; education is as well. And Newton, quite simply, did not know as much about the Universe as Einstein. For that matter, I dare say that Einstein knew less than I do now, it being more than 50 years since he died.
Your claim taht theists have more outliers on the intelligence curve is self-defeating as well: it implies that there are far more idio theists than there are idiot atheists. Oh well. Of course, I sort of doubt that as well, since that would go against most statistical methods.
October 25th, 2010 at 2:49 am
Religion is a joke, a silly excuse to fool yourself into thinking you know where you come from and where you are going.
People believe in religion, cause deep down they are scared shitless of death.
July 21st, 2011 at 4:55 am
There are more things in Heaven and Earth that are dreamt of in your high IQ philosophies……………
July 21st, 2011 at 8:04 am
@walt235 There are more things in your low IQ philosophy than there are in heaven and earth.
July 21st, 2011 at 9:08 am
Depends on which god or God you believe in or are talking about? Almost everybody worships some god! The Gods of most religions are too small anyway, being created in the image of man, or were we created in their image, male and female.
IMHO the UNIVERSE IS SENTIENT. Whether an Essence/Spirit/God created and inhabits it, or if the Universe became Sentient at a later period is irrelevant. This Creator God and thus the environment, certainly deserves our reverence if not our worship.
There are also;
The Gods of Money, Greed, Lust, and self who beckon and choose all who will listen.
The Gods of Anger and Hatred have a strident voice and seem to get the biggest selection of people and they are followed closely by the:
The God of War who chooses many people and nations to do its bidding often creating even more supplicants for the Gods of Anger and Hatred. It appears that this “god” has chosen the Middle East as IT’s favorite playground for at least 3500 years creating three major religions that have caused division, unrest and murder for centuries.
The God of Peace has a small voice and is often drowned out by the din raised by the followers of the Gods of War, Anger and Hatred. Few there are who really seek this God of Peace and Love.
Jesus said, “By their fruits ye shall know them.” Matt. 7:20
July 28th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
This is nonsence.Look most of the atheist i heard claims that we people at age 11 or some younger age think that religious is BS so we are the smartest people on the planet because we think so by going by that logic they are even smarter then einstein and stephen hawking because they didn’t think at younger age that God doesn’t exist.If they are really smarter then why not do something useful for the world.Vietnam has 81% of atheist population and i am not seeing them as the best country of the world
August 25th, 2011 at 1:30 am
The correlation is interesting but likely not causal. My guess is that the causal relationship is between non-belief and education.
September 19th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Proving a correllation between atheism and intelligence is not complicated at all, but rather trivial. Simply ask a high IQ’d person if he believes in a god or not, tally up the proportions and voila – instant correllation coefficient. What’s the difficulty? The difficulty may be more of political correctness, where the conclusion is too obvious, religious people on the average are stupid people.
Also, I have a question to a reference made here by Fraser, who said:
“Actually, the bible itself says that the Christian is not as intelligent as the unbeliever and will struggle to keep up with the unbeliever’s thinking and cunning.”
Where in the Bible does it say that? I am interested in knowing for future reference.
October 1st, 2011 at 1:01 am
In response to this:
“Can God create a space in which he does not know what is happening?
-If he can, then he is NOT all knowing
-If he can’t, then he is NOT all powerful.”
Even an all-knowing, all-powerful being cannot violate the law of non-contradiction. In other words, God cannot be expected to create a square circle. It is logically impossible to manifest contradictory premises, and since omniscience means “all knowing”… well I think you get my point.
October 7th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Over here in Australia we have a Atheist Prime Minister. I dont think she has a very high IQ because she swore oath to bear true allegience to a british monarch, who on her coronation swore oath upon the King James Bible to govern her subjects according to the Laws of God. Maybe this is an exception to the rule but she clearly serves God. Stupid Atheist Prime Minister Julia Gillard.
November 10th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
I’m black and I’ve read this article more than one.
And I agree. It’s not racist. Compare Africa to Europe or Asia. If there was an equal distribution of Nobel prizes, should more people look like the 1 billion Africans on earth instead of the 500 million Europeans?
Yeah, so, a black man has approved. This is not racist. It’s pure, hurtful truth. Amen!
November 11th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Intelligent people are less likely to believe in God. I agree. I’m surely not half intelligent as Stephen Hawking or Linus Pauling. However, the question about existence of God has always baffled me like many of you.
I was born a Hindu and religion was never a big part of my life. I personally do tolerate all religions. But i presume before we talk about atheism, pantheism, agnosticism or theism we must think of these points:
1. RELIGION – This was man made and so were the religious texts. Religion is important but not essential.
2. GOD – For the question ‘ Do you believe in God’ ? the answer must be “What is your definition of God” ?
I watched a documentary – Did God create the Universe on the discovery channel. And unsatisfied by Mr. Hawking’s answers i tried to find much of the answers myself through the internet – while writing a blog.
Please do visit and post your comments !!
http://riddlesofuniverse.blogs.....verse.html
November 11th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
PS : Being an atheist won’t make you intelligent. Whether you’re an atheist or theist – be knowledgeable enough in your department and gear up with ‘logical answers to questions people come up with’.
If you’re too lazy for that – there’s always the middle path: AGNOSTICISM
December 15th, 2011 at 2:49 am
A religious man is always happier than an atheist man, just as a drunk man is happier than a sober one. So what is religion? Religion is a myth used to explain natural phenomena and comfort people that there is something after death. But now religion is like that old blanky that you used to have when you were five that helped you go to sleep. But now you’ve grown too old for that blanket, even though you still can’t let go of it cause your in denial.
If there is an almighty and powerful God, then why does he need a son? If there is a God who has a destiny planned out for you, then why do you still look both ways before crossing a road. If there is a God, then why do I see church steeples with a lightning rod on top. I know that there is no one who looks at me and watches all of my actions (besides maybe that pedophile who lives next door).
A long time ago people used to associate a lightning bolt with Zeus’s anger. But now those days are long gone, and now we know that lightning is caused by the attraction between positively and negatively charged particles. Just as we laugh at Greek Mythology, one day we will laugh at Christian and Hindu mythology to.
Religion is more harmful than it is helpful. It hinders human thought and causes wars over who has the better imaginary friend. 6 million Jews dead. Why? Religion. Once upon a time, every natural phenomena was accredited to God, but one day mankind realized that there was this thing called Science that made way more sense than a God who showed up thousands of years ago in front a bunch of goatherds, leading them to a desert which he called the promised land.
As for you people who say that it is impossible that the Earth could be so perfect, think of it as the Earth, is among seven other planets in our solar system. Our solar system is among billions of other solar systems with planets. These solar systems make up the Milky Way Galaxy which is among billions of other galaxies in this universe. And it is likely this universe is among trillions of other universes. So the probability one out of an uncountable number of planets being habitable for life is extremely high.
God wrote ten obvious commandment that even a bushman would know to do. He totally outdated. He is still sexist and homophobic, even though we have almost passed that stage in human thought.
There was once a time where the Church ruled over everyone. This is now called the dark ages. The stupid church said that the world was flat, and that everything revolved around it. But then human beings became more intelligent, and let go of these primitive ideas.
I can understand why people living in tribal believe in Gods, because they are uneducated, and have no rational explanation for natural phenomena, But in a civilized world, filled with iPhones and parallel parking cars, but more importantly science, there is simply no place for God.
Now it’s time to let go of that old, tattered, torn, dirty, and worn out blanket you call religion. It’s time to stop fearing death and making up fantasies for it. It’s time to stop waiting for heaven. It’s time to stop blaming disease on the devil and find a cure for it. Life on Earth is way better that any eternal life that spent in a place like church. Most people struggle to stay there once a week till noon. How do expect to stay at some place like that for the rest of your life. Think about it…
And don’t forget: “Live every moment as if it were your last… because it might as well be.”
(That creepy pedophile is starring out his window… I better go
– KKK vs. KFC Signing off…
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December 18th, 2011 at 2:47 pm
If atheists are truly smart, then how is it that they deny the very existence of Allah(GOD) which is the most logical thing in the whole world! Are they that stupid that they deny what is front of their eyes!
How can matter create itself, seriously? How can the Earth create itself? The Earth needs a creator, to be created, just like a house needs an architect to be built!! Can you imagine a house being built by itself? How can everything happen by coincidence? Everything needs a creator who is perfect and powerful. Why, you may ask? Because IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR CAUSES TO CREATE ANYTHING. CAUSES ARE LIKE THE VEILS OR THE TOOLS THROUGH WHICH CREATION COMES INTO EXISTENCE. THEY ARE LIKE THE PEN, NOT THE HAND HOLDING HOLDING THE PEN!! Thus the hand holding the pen is like the creator, which is obviously Allah(GOD). So although atheists may be smarter than other people in terms of education and have a higher IQ than them, in reality they are the true idiots and losers in the sight of God, as they deny his very own existence.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:52 am
@Barry Duke
If Allah(God) doesn’t exist, then how does this world run in perfect order. How are there not any defects in how the rain works, the daily weather patterns, the perfection of every food chain in every environment without the need for a creator behind it. Many argue that we cannot see God, so how can we believe him. Firstly, the signs of his existence are every where u look. The animals,birds trees and so on. HOW can you be so blind to NOT SEE THIS. Secondly, I’ll explain a small incident related to this.
An Atheist and a religious Scholar were arguing about the existence of God. The atheist had asked If ALLAH(GOD) EXISTS, THEN HOW COME WE DO NOT SEE HIM? The Scholar offered him a drink of milk. Once they both had received the milk and both added honey to sweeten it, the scholar insisted to add more honey to the atheists milk. The atheist says he already has honey in his milk, but the scholar insists that he can”t see the honey so therefore he doesn’t believe him. The atheist says again that he already has honey in his milk but the scholar still doesnt believe him and says he doesn’t believe in something he can’t see. Obviously, to know if there is any honey or sugar in the milk, you have to taste it to detect it.The scholar knowing this, then answers the question by saying that the honey is already mixed into the milk so we cant see it and we have to taste the milk to determine if their is any honey. Just like the honey, we cant see God but we can easily detect his existence by all his creations around us. Only a BLIND PERSON WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THIS.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:33 am
Please finish reading this, then you can criticize me.
The people that are asking why the Earth works so perfect, is because WE ARE LUCKY, not because of god. LOOK, THERE ARE OVER HUNDREDS OF PLANETS THAT ARE ALSO HABITABLE, AND HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS MORE THAT WE HAVEN’T DISCOVERED. Just wanted to put it in caps so it would get your attention. Anyways… It’s been in the news, that there are over billions of planets and that it was way less than 1% of that many planets that can support life. Still it’s possible out of a billion planets, there would be more than a hundred planets habitable.
You can keep believing in what you believe, but it’s nonsense you keep saying why Earth is so perfect, when there are many more planets that we could live on in the future.
Also, religion is harmful, only to the most extreme cases though. Like the 9/11 attacks, it was because of religion that caused the suicide bombers to do that. They did that because they think they were doing it for their god. But I’m not saying religious people from the East or Central countries that are bad. It just depends on how far a person would go for their religion. For me I live in the U.S. and a person tried to assassinate Obama, just because he thought that Obama was the Anti-Christ.
I’m an atheist, but I’m not the kind of atheist you see every so often, cussing and not being reasonable.
And what you cannot see, doesn’t mean it’s not there. Like Hammad, he put a good example with the honey, but we knew it was there. The honey is there, now with science we can see the molecules of the honey and prove you wrong. And I know maybe some of you people that are reading this doesn’t like science, but science works. When you have a headache or going to do a surgery, what relieves the pain? The anesthetic of course or some other remedy (or medicine)you guys use to help you with the pain. Now there is medicine that could cure diseases that you would normally die from in a week. Except no medicine yet that could cure AIDS and cancer of course and nothing more that can help with a prayer.
Sorry if this is offending you, but this is what I think, please criticize me in a civilized manner (no cussing, swearing, etc.).
Prayers do not work. If you really believe a prayer works, then don’t take any medicine. It’s as simple as that. So the next time you get sick or get a disease just pray for a few hours each day and keep doing what you normally do each day and come back next year and say your alive. Don’t even bother to take any medicine, (or anything that helps with the disease or sickness,)or go to the doctor, if you a really believe prayers are all you need.
Have there been any real known sightings of god? Nope, as long as anybody knows, there’s been sightings by people on drugs, being high, and stuff that’s not good for you. Okay, for example, since I am in the U.S. I will use the bible as an example. People say Jesus is real, but nobody has no proof proving that. The bible dates back for a long time, but we figure that it was written by many different people at different time periods. There’s people that say “It’s God’s word”, I don’t believe that. I know it’s not true and the next thing you know they pull a scripture from the bible and start reading it out loud. If the bible is being questioned if it is real or not and a person reads a scripture out of it, it’s EXACTLY like a defendant saying he was a eye witness in a court, when the defendant OBVIOUSLY needs another witness to prove it.
And to further disprove the bible, there’s more than half of the prophecies told by the bible that didn’t come true. There are also fulfilled prophecies, but HOW LONG DID IT TAKE TO FULFILL?!?!
Hundreds of years!!!! If you don’t believe that there are failed prophecies from the bible, just type in “failed prophecies in the bible”, it might take a while, but there’s plenty enough.
And to even further disprove the bible (for fun), they say we were created by god thousands of years ago, (correct me if I’m wrong,) most likely more than 5,000 years ago. Now with our technology we know that the Earth was AROUND MORE THAN BILLIONS OF YEARS OLD. Yep that’s correct, if you don’t believe it, they have done plenty of tests to prove that it’s correct. Nobody would say something like that without sufficient evidence.
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It might (might)be true that non-religious people are smarter than religious people, but it varies. And there’s also the fact that religion will die out in the next century or more as SCIENCE can do things that people think god could only do. By that time, we’ll have the real statistics of who’s smarter and who’s not.
The reasons that I can think of why a non-religious person is smarter, is because they can’t see the logic in how god could fit into this world and THEY ARE NOT BLIND. Just because you think you believe, doesn’t mean you could say people are blind to not see god. If we do that, then we’ll say your BLIND FOR NOT LOOKING AT HOW THE WORLD HAS GONE SO FAR, WITHOUT GOD.
AND to finally discourage you guys from praying for me or saying I’m stupid, crazy, get a life, your a troll, etc., I have a comfortable life right now and my mind is perfectly fine. I am not controlled by the devil, demon or whatever you say I am being possessed by. AND TO GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS, I DON’T NEED YOUR STINKIN’ PRAYERS AND I WILL NOT GET BLOWN UP TO BITS WHEN YOU ASK GOD TO KILL ME.
AnD i WiLl NoT gO dOwN tO yOuR iMaGiNaRy PlAcE cAlLeD h*** (JuSt To MaKe SuRe ThAt ThIs PoSt DoEsN’t GeT bAnNeD. I’m telling my point of view, but if you think that this post should get banned, isn’t fair because plenty of other people have stated their point of view and have not gotten banned. (Just means your really biased
December 22nd, 2011 at 7:17 pm
“And if he is clever; Satan will make him doubt in god.”
hey Mohamad Sharineh, who do you think created satan? the whole idea of god and satan is a fallacy. the devil is evil but god created the devil so how can god be so good if he created satan???
December 28th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Hey Kaleb read Isiah 45:7 in the the KJV of the Bible.The verse goes something like this: I the lord create both good and evil in this I do all things.
January 8th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Unbelieveable. The ignorance! This guy (and all those who agree with him) need to open their eyes, broaden their mind, and quit the stupid questions.
January 11th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Looking at the reasons posted by akhter to support his contention that Allah made the world perfect. (i.e. just the right amount of oxygen, temperature range, etc.) reminds me of a shaggy dog story I sometimes use. Here goes:
Have you noticed the huge variety of dogs there are around? Some, like wolf hounds, are slim and tall. Others, like boxers, are stout and medium heigh and yet others, like terriers, are very small. Isn’t nature wonderful though? No matter what size the dog, Mother Nature always knows how to make their legs exactly the right length to reach the ground!
February 8th, 2012 at 4:18 am
lol this article only proves that atheists are disgusting racists.
Who is Richard Lynn (the source cited in this article)?
He’s the author of the book “Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis”
He claims that sub-Saharan Africans are genetically stupid and that average IQ of 89 is just “too high” for Kenyans (he places sub-Saharan African IQ in high 60s).
See his argument on “The Dysgenic Effects Of Non White Immigration” – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26bQ7CWFe0c
He supports White Nationalists.
But then again everybody knows that basically 100% of white atheists are racists so it makes sense that white atheists would intentionally cite Richard Lynn to claim that they have higher IQs, lol.